Flights with technical stops (present and past)
 

I'm starting this thread because posters/readers of our China twov thread often screw themselves by booking direct, but not nonstop flights. They refer to the intermediate stops as "technical" stops, and many booking channels actually support this claim.

The thing is, no flights to/from/within China have technical stops. By way of example, CA flies pek-hij via dlc, but sells all segments independently.

The only current flights i know of that utilize technical stops are:
-PR LAX/SFO/YVR-MNL (fuel stop in GUM)
-BR/CI NYC-TPE (fuel stop in ANC)

Do you guys have any other examples? I'm mostly interested in present day flights, but historical stuff is also discussion worthy.

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Here's some history about Gander:

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-...-6066_1_gander

Flights with technical stops (present and past)
 

ET BRU-ADD with technical stop in CDG.
Actually did it 2 weeks ago.

SA: IAD-ACC-JNB;IAD-DKR-JNB (intermediate stop rotates by day of week)
CX: JFK-YVR-HKG (not necessary from an equipment point of view but more for revenue purposes)
EK: JFK-MXP-DXB (also not necessary)

If it stops and takes on/off passengers and/or freight its not a technical stop.
Just 5th freedom. EK has many on those

The CX and EK references are not to technical stops. CX and EK sell the relevant sectors as fairly typical Fifth Freedom routes.

The BA LCY-JFK flights stop in SNN for fuel and to send passengers through US preclearance on the way back to the US.

Neither is the SA flight as both segments are sold individually.

These flights no longer stop in ANC. The 77W has the range to make it non-stop and does.

Ethiopian flies ADD-DUB-IAD these days but does not have the ability to sell on the DUB-IAD segment AFAIK. It does have local traffic rights on ADD-DUB so some passengers would get out at DUB potentially but new passengers would not join the flight there. The east-bound flight is nonstop. Historically FCO was used for the fueling stop as well.

Regarding NYC-TPE, the reason for the ANC stop was/is that even though BR/CI both have many flights to the PRC, they avoid over flying the PRC in most cases.

This means:
-they don't use polar routes ex-NYC
-they serve Europe via BKK (not a technical stop)

US Airways had a BOS-PHX flight on an A320 that would occasionally make a planned fuel stop at MCI during the winter when headwinds were too strong to make the trip nonstop. Looks like it's now AA604 and uses an A319, though AA and B6 currently do use A320s on this route.

I was watching this flight daily on Flightaware when I was booked on it in April a few years ago. Seemed like it had to make the stop about once a week or so.

My very first flight was Paris Le Bourget to New York Idlewild with refueling stops in Shannon, Ireland and Gander, Newfoundland. My nine-year-old self was thrilled at the sight of the props getting excited as the pilots tested the reversers during the pre-flight runup.

But not sold with the technical stop as part of the itinerary.

There are quite a few of these triangle routes within Africa with and without 5th freedom probably due to thin flows.

I doubt there are any planes left that do purely technical stops - why not sell tickets to/from the intermediate point? The only one that comes to mind is BA1.

Even without the polar route the flights no longer stop in ANC because the new aircraft have sufficient range.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EVA31
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...535Z/KJFK/RCTP

Lack of 5th freedom has everything to do with negotiated bilateral treaties and very little to do with passenger volumes.

There are still a few; the PR & ET flights mentioned above are examples.

PAl113 makes occasional tech stops in Guam traveling west between LAX and MNL