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Originally Posted by DaveBlaine
(Post 25634889)
I saw a blurb about this on Fox News. Apparently it had something to do with a thing called a "Knee Defender".
Here's a link to the Fox News story: http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/1...on-and-called/ No Knee Defender. And 2 weeks ago, when a man choked a woman for reclining her seat on a Southwest flight from LAX to SFO...? http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...019-story.html No Knee Defender there, either. FYI. |
Perhaps he was looking at this older Fox new story where a Knee Defender caused a fight, after someone tried to used the product on United, which "prohibits use of the device, like all major U.S. airlines"
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2014/0...ght-air-scrum/
Originally Posted by Knee Defender
(Post 25636388)
And 2 weeks ago, when a man choked a woman for reclining her seat on a Southwest flight from LAX to SFO...?
No Knee Defender there, either. FYI. |
Originally Posted by CPRich
(Post 25636447)
Perhaps he was looking at this older Fox new story where a Knee Defender caused a fight, after someone tried to used the product on United, which "prohibits use of the device, like all major U.S. airlines"
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2014/0...ght-air-scrum/ Nope, that was on Southwest, where it's also banned. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 25635013)
If OP has any good statistics on the # of security incidents resulting in off-loading, it would be great if he posted them. Otherwise, this is just another media hype incident which seems pretty clear:
1. Must obey crewmember instructions. 2. Don't film or record crew members onboard (not only a safety & security issue, but there are plenty of whacko stalkers out there). |
How about video and audio monitoring in the passenger cabin?
This way we always have that ever important "yeah but what was said BEFORE they turned on their phone" footage. :) Or FAs need to wear body cams? double :) My call in this case was this guy was a prick and deserved to be abused. AND the flight attendant abused their authority. Both |
Basically, FA's based in the US are the worst in the business. They are rude, act like they are performing brain surgery, and they look so unhappy one would assume they are going through labor if they weren't performing their duties.
On the international airlines I've flown, I've had nothing but friendly and courteous FA's, not to mention the fact that they dress like women and appear to have seen the inside of a gym recently. |
Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost
(Post 25636722)
Please cite the legal basis for both those statements, and the sub clause - because no matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't become true.
RULE 21 REFUSAL TO TRANSPORT UA shall have the right to refuse to transport or shall have the right to remove from the aircraft at any point, any Passenger for the following reasons: A) Breach of Contract of Carriage – Failure by Passenger to comply with the Rules of the Contract of Carriage. ... H) Safety – Whenever refusal or removal of a Passenger may be necessary for the safety of such Passenger or other Passengers or members of the crew including, but not limited to: ... 2) Passengers who fail to comply with or interfere with the duties of the members of the flight crew, federal regulations, or security directives; |
Originally Posted by Tchiowa
(Post 25635938)
One article has a link to her FB page where she tells her side of the story.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php...375195&fref=nf I'm sorry, but when someone is that illiterate, to the point where you can't even follow what she's saying, I just can't get on her side. She comes off as an entitled DYKWIA who actually isn't anyone. Just my gut feeling after reading her page. |
3 million people fly everyday without incident; we get reports like this maybe once per day. I would say, almost without exception, by simple logic, that there is a good reason to toss them. If it was simply crews on power trips, there would be a whole lot more people being tossed.
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Originally Posted by farnorthtrader
(Post 25637518)
If it was simply crews on power trips, there would be a whole lot more people being tossed.
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Originally Posted by farnorthtrader
(Post 25637518)
3 million people fly everyday without incident; we get reports like this maybe once per day. I would say, almost without exception, by simple logic, that there is a good reason to toss them. If it was simply crews on power trips, there would be a whole lot more people being tossed.
i have received a lot of kindnesses from both FA,s and passengers. TSA is another matter. |
Originally Posted by TMM1982
(Post 25637547)
Quote:
most people despise American FA's. |
Originally Posted by TMM1982
(Post 25636854)
Basically, FA's based in the US are the worst in the business. They are rude, act like they are performing brain surgery, and they look so unhappy one would assume they are going through labor if they weren't performing their duties.
On the international airlines I've flown, I've had nothing but friendly and courteous FA's, not to mention the fact that they dress like women and appear to have seen the inside of a gym recently. |
This really gets into a bigger issue: do you trust what is said in the media? According to the media ( see the link somebody provided regarding this incident on the first page ) the initial conflict seem to have resolved but it is stated the FA returned to this PAX and started up with him. Obviously that's an entirely different situation.
It may be the adage : a dog biting a man is not news, but a man biting the dog is. Sure, unruly passengers get kicked off all the time, but an FA going berserk would sell a lot more newspapers. So again, who knows what really happened? But they do cite witnesses who sided with the PAX |
Originally Posted by Tchiowa
(Post 25636887)
Contract law. For example, United's Contract of Carriage says, in part:
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