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Should MCT be flight-dependent?
Airlines publish minimum connection times for each airport, the amount of time that should be sufficient for a normal connection. If a connection time is shorter than that, they don't let you book it; and if a connection does meet the MCT, then they accept responsibility for getting you to your destination if delays mean that you miss the connection. The published MCT may vary for international connections (and in some rare cases, for connections between mainline & regional), but otherwise, the MCT doesn't vary by flight.
But should it? I was looking today for flights from LGA to DFW, leaving as late as possible, and I found this beauty on US/AA: # 2153 7:00 PM LGA 8:27 PM DCA # 2218 9:00 PM DCA 11:13 PM DFW So that's a 33 minute connection, which seems very tight, but this is apparently legal, maybe MCT at But checking the performance of the 1st leg, usairways shows #2153 at 44% on time (within 15 minutes of schedule), 40% late (30+ minutes behind schedule, and 8% canceled. I guess the other 8% arrived 16-29 minutes late, which would mean a likely missed connection, though at the lower end of that range, with a seat up front on the inbound, no valet check bag to wait on, and a sprint, you might have a small chance. But even without that 8%, the delay and cancel numbers mean almost half the time, you'll miss the connection. Worse, this is the last flight of the day, so missing the connection means spending the night in DC. Who in their right mind would book this connection - if they notice the short connection time and the performance history? 33 minutes may be reasonable at |
Originally Posted by swag
(Post 25162173)
33 minute connection
44% on time (within 15 minutes of schedule [can be 18 minute connection] I guess the other 8% arrived 16-29 minutes late [4-17 minute connections] this is the last flight of the day when does door close? is arrival time door opening? curious how many flights are like this |
MCT can vary by flight, airlines can publish different MCT's for specific flight numbers or ranges, either connection to/from/both.
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There are all sorts of reasons why using just the published historical on-time numbers are insufficient to reflect the real reliability of a flight.
Also PHL and DCA are different places. ;) |
DCA is Washington National, not Philly.
Assuming two flights there are on the same pier, there isn't more than a 3 minute walk between them. If they're not on the same pier, you're unlikely to make the connection even if the first flight is on time. |
Airlines do publish different MCTs for different flight number ranges, origins, destinations, equipment types, date ranges, and even suppress certain connections all together. Here is a listing of the current information for DCA on US from ExpertFlyer:
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Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 25162480)
Also PHL and DCA are different places. ;) But no matter how small the airport, would you be comfortable with a 33 minute connection to the last departure of the night, when the inbound has that sort of on time record? |
Should MCT be flight-dependent?
From what I've seen at AA LGA, they will hold the last flight and wait for incoming connections.
MCT is different for codeshare vs operating airline. I've seen MCT for DL to DL (operated by KL/AF) at LHR significantly shorter than DL to KL/AF. Same exact flights. As a result you can buy revenue ATL-LHR-AMS under DL code but can't redeem award for same flights as LHR-AMS has to be booked as KL. Saw something similar for DUS-RSW-CLT. If booked as AA codeshare not a problem but can't book as AB-US. |
Originally Posted by swag
(Post 25162733)
But no matter how small the airport, would you be comfortable with a 33 minute connection to the last departure of the night, when the inbound has that sort of on time record? |
Originally Posted by swag
(Post 25162733)
But no matter how small the airport, would you be comfortable with a 33 minute connection to the last departure of the night, when the inbound has that sort of on time record?
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Originally Posted by swag
(Post 25162733)
But no matter how small the airport, would you be comfortable with a 33 minute connection to the last departure of the night, when the inbound has that sort of on time record?
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Originally Posted by swag
(Post 25162733)
But no matter how small the airport, would you be comfortable with a 33 minute connection to the last departure of the night, when the inbound has that sort of on time record?
Also, flying to/from certain places (especially hub-to-hub) if you are creative you can build connections in really small airports where as long as something isn't too late, you'll make it - I'm talking airports where each carrier has a very small number of gates (like, 1 - 4, for example). Also on UA, but they rebooked my wife from EWR-SFO with a short connection in Jackson Hole because her inbound from India was late. Not a typical connection point, obviously, but it was around Christmas so the non-stops and other typical connection points were all full. |
The underlying premise is incorrect because carriers do vary their MCT's. However, MCT is simply a reflection of a carrier's willingness to assume the risk of a misconnect. It is not necessarily a Sensible Connect Time (SCT).
If the connection time worries you, then don't book it. DL has 10 non-stops/day LGA-DTW, so it's hardly necessary to fly via DCA. But, if you do wish to book through DCA, 33 minutes is plenty of time. The USS (AAS?) gates are no more than a 2 minute walk, perhaps less, to the gates likely used for DTW. MCT is calculated from scheduled arrival to scheduled departure. If a flight is often late, presumably the carrier will adjust its scheduled arrival over a period of time. Needless to say, if a flight is delayed, that is when the MCT comes in handy as you are protected. Nonetheless, it is the last flight of the night. Plan B is a hotel at DCA, so perhaps if you have something mission critical in Detroit the next day, you go back to the non-stops. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 25163858)
The underlying premise is incorrect because carriers do vary their MCT's. However, MCT is simply a reflection of a carrier's willingness to assume the risk of a misconnect. It is not necessarily a Sensible Connect Time (SCT).
If the connection time worries you, then don't book it. DL has 10 non-stops/day LGA-DTW, so it's hardly necessary to fly via DCA. But, if you do wish to book through DCA, 33 minutes is plenty of time. The USS (AAS?) gates are no more than a 2 minute walk, perhaps less, to the gates likely used for DTW. MCT is calculated from scheduled arrival to scheduled departure. If a flight is often late, presumably the carrier will adjust its scheduled arrival over a period of time. Needless to say, if a flight is delayed, that is when the MCT comes in handy as you are protected. Nonetheless, it is the last flight of the night. Plan B is a hotel at DCA, so perhaps if you have something mission critical in Detroit the next day, you go back to the non-stops. |
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