Open jaw - rules
 

Hi,
I am laurent, I join your community to get some explication about airfare rules.

The last flight I did was cancelled, Air france give me 2 voocher 2x800€ for the next flight (allowed air france or KLM). I am now looking for the next flight (3 peoples).

I would like to go to central americas in july.

I was looking for round trip on air france's website (about 1000€) :
TLS-MGA-TLS (380€+669€) 02/07/15 until 28/07/15
TLS-SJO-TLS (637€+331€) 02/07/15 until 28/07/15
TLS-PTY-TLS (653€+315€) 02/07/15 until 28/07/15

The price is a bit expansive with round trip so I would like to combine low fare of the first segment TLS MGA and the second segment of SJO-TLS or PTY-TLS.

I try open jaw but it doesn't work well on ita matrix (for the same flight shown below).
TLS-MGA and SJO-TLS (1238€)
TLS-MGA and PTY-TLS (1324€)

On air france's website :
TLS-MGA 02/07/15 (AF7529, AF682, DL369) and SJO-TLS 28/07/15 (CM796, AF475, AF7522) => 701€
TLS-MGA 02/07/15 (AF7529, AF682, DL369) and PTY-TLS 28/07/15 (AF475,AF7522) =>1044€

For the first it works but not for the second that's strange because the segment SJO-TLS have the same flight AF475,AF7522.


rules of TLS-MGA :
Category 10: Combinability

APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH AF DOMESTIC FARES
WITHIN FRANCE. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS
PERMITTED.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH AF INTERNATIONAL
FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY ONE WAY FARE CLASS WFFWFR/
WFFWFR3/WFFWFR7 FARE.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS.
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED-TYPE
FARES FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 2
OR FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 3
OR FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 1 IN ANY RULE
IN ANY TARIFF.
COMBINATIONS ARE NOT WITH ANY FIRST CLASS RESTRICTED/
FIRST CLASS UNRESTRICTED/FIRST CLASS PROMOTIONAL/FIRST
ONE WAY SPECIAL EXCURSION/FIRST CLASS EXCURSION/FIRST
CLASS SLEEPERETTE-TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN
FRANCE/AREA 1
OR FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 3 IN ANY RULE
IN ANY TARIFF.
COMBINATIONS ARE NOT WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AF/KL
BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 2
OR FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 3
OR FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 1 IN RULE
FRFF/PREM/UNFF IN ANY TARIFF.
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AF/KL
BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 2
OR FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 3
OR FOR CARRIER AF/KL BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 1 IN ANY RULE
IN ANY TARIFF.
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AZ BETWEEN
FRANCE/AREA 2
OR FOR CARRIER AZ BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 3
OR FOR CARRIER AZ BETWEEN FRANCE/AREA 1 IN ANY RULE IN
ANY TARIFF.

Can somebody explain me why the open jaw with PTY doesn't work ?
Thank's
I am sorry if the threads is not in the good forum.

I'm not on a PC at the moment to try it but according to the fare rules you posted, it certainly should be possible. I do this quite often with TK fares with very similar language in the fare rules.

Try it with a couple of actual booking sites and see what you come up with. Expedia and Priceline are both solid and should give you an idea of whether an OTA can do it with these AF fares or not. If all else fails, it'd be worth taking to an actual travel agent if the price different is that much. I often do a mix of TK A fares one way and J fares returning so unfortunately I had to seek out a real travel agent for those, I'm still waiting for the day that some OTA starts doing more advanced online ticketing, if it can be done in a GDS, no reason it can't be done online.

I've tried with expedia and priceline, it doesn't work.
The price is quit similar between the 2 example I just want to understand why.

Thank's for your help.

Do you think I can find better ?

It'd be worth phoning up a good travel agent and explain what you want to do and see what they can come up with.