You're apparent attempt to use the quote feature doesn't quite fly. ;)

You're free to compare what you want, but the difference in outcomes is based on the contrast.

Given your last sentence above, that supports the recognition that the passenger was subject to a mix of sex-based racism? It seems to do that.

In the real world, the application of racism does vary by sex and age. It doesn't mean the racism is any less real.

You blew it with that example. You are aware, or maybe not, that it was later proven that Zimmerman didn't know the race of Martin when he first started following him and that Martin initiated the fight. Racism was simply not part of the equation. Though a lot of people tried to make it part of the issue.

There are a couple of types of racism. One is treating people differently purely because of their race. The other is accusing people of being racist without proof.

Your last sentence above is neither relevant to this situation nor is it true. Even a false accusation about racism would not be a type of racism, absent other conditions. ;)

I would have no idea, as I wasn't there, nor were you, or any of us. We know scant facts at all about the situation. We don't even know the race of each of the passengers who deplaned, for that matter.

I know the FT unofficial hobby is authoritatively speculating, but it is possible for people to have no opinion about the motives of random strangers we haven't met, and an incident we did not witness in person and only know about from a brief local news website.

Exactly.

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Can't answer a question asked of you in this thread? It's about your beliefs. Too personal?

Forget speculation? It was paranoid speculators that got this "scary" "dark" "man" deplaned from this flight; it was the paranoid speculators that wanted off this flight, with some even getting off the flight -- after the authorities in two countries and the pilot said the "scary" passenger was cleared and acceptable for transport on this flight.

With all due respect, you have no idea if they had the "scary" man removed or the "scary dark" man removed. You are making an assumption. Your assumption is that the white people were afraid of the non-white person purely because they are white and he isn't. Making assumptions about people based solely on their race is called "racism".

Oh puhleeze. Water is an innocuous ingredient in how many nefarious substances? - nonetheless, we don't have sanctions against carrying water around. It's not like he was carrying a codeine-based cough syrup, which happens to be the main ingredient, the active ingredient.


Nonsense - that was never "proven". The simple fact is, it was never PROVEN who started the fight, and frankly, it is entirely dependent upon what you define as "starting the fight". One civilian tailing another civilian who has every right to be in a public area is inherently a confrontational, threatening act, and THAT was the beginning of whatever fight subsequently occurred.

The issue is not what he knew when he began to follow Martin - it's what he knew when he confronted him. And by then, he knew he was confronting a black male. Who was unarmed, who had as much right to be there as Zimmerman, and whom Zimmerman subsequently shot, after ignoring the instructions of the police dispatcher NOT to confront him.

The fact is, Zimmerman initiated the fight by following someone who had every right to walk in the neighborhood without being tailed and confronted by a cop-wannabe.

With all due respect, you have no idea what I do know about this matter, including knowledge about people on the plane who refused to fly with this passenger and about authorities involved.

That is your assumption about something that is not my assumption.

The passenger and cabin attendant paranoia about this released and cleared passenger -- a passenger accepted by the pilot and the governmental authorities -- indeed was based on racism of the sort which has the "scary" "dark" "man" being perceived as a "possible" "terrorist" in the whipped up fantasies of the hysterical racists. Making and acting upon assumptions about a passenger based on the race of the passenger is called racism in action because it is racism.

That very well could be. But it was proven that he didn't do it because of Martin's race. On the 911 tape he said he wasn't sure and that he "thought" Martin was black. So regardless of who was right or wrong, racism wasn't the issue.

Nonsense. Zimmerman thought Martin was black, and he said so at the time. He was correct. He then stalked him, despite Martin having every right to be there, and not doing anything illegal. That initiated the fight. And that is not in even the remotest way any sort of "proof" that Zimmerman was not motivated by what he thought was, and what actually was, Martin's race. There's not the slightest reason to assume that had Zimmerman "thought" Martin was white, he'd have even followed him.

You have a very bizarre concept of what constitutes "proof" that racism was not a motivation in Zimmerman's actions that night. All that we actually know is that a crime by Zimmerman against Martin was not successfully proved to a jury of Floridians.

Every human has racist "gene" buried deep inside ( save Gandhiji,Mother Teresa.....).

We have been trained, taught, brainwashed into not exhibiting yet it often peeks out at unguarded moments. In a meeting at a Fortune 500 a phalanx of white managers, decision makers were facing a group of minority franchisees.
The head honcho directly asked if the group thought he was racist as all that was said by the minority came across as such. I am mature he did not expect an answer of yes! None would speak up for fear of retribution, finally one said, " sir, if you have to ask, if you think you are a racist, perhaps you are."

See if you can tell if the shoe fits. For too long now we have swept this under the carpet under the guise of Politically Correct. Time to face the crazy uncle/ aunt in the attic.

Many recent posts have strayed from any connection to travel and some have strayed toward debating the poster, personally, instead of discussing a travel-related topic. Two sure reasons for the thread to be closed. Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator.