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Mabuk dan gila Sep 30, 2013 10:21 am

I'm waiting for one of them thair thermonuclear planes that can fly LAX-SIN in like 15 minutes:D.

pinniped Sep 30, 2013 11:14 am


Originally Posted by Mabuk dan gila (Post 21529250)
I'm waiting for one of them thair thermonuclear planes that can fly LAX-SIN in like 15 minutes:D.

Yeah, no kidding. I mean, I've already seen the made-for-TV disaster movie about this plane (it gets stuck in orbit)...they released that in the 1970's...so what's taking them so long to make the real thing?!? :mad:

Boghopper Sep 30, 2013 1:21 pm

Some science fiction predicts a future in which air travel is by dirigible, typically solar (but fuel cells would seem to be an option, too). Seems more plausible to me than electric airplanes.

mandolino Sep 30, 2013 2:30 pm

dirigibility

I can't see airships being much good for anything in future but short haul freight in awkward terrain or built-up areas. Oh, and advertising and birds-eye camera views.

blackdawn2 Sep 30, 2013 4:02 pm

It's too early for aviation to consider alternatives. We still have plenty of oil, it's just outrageously expensive for political and financial reasons (ie speculators).

mandolino Sep 30, 2013 4:22 pm

Oil is still way cheaper than any alternative, and most importantly for transport, extremely portable.

It's always good to see blue-sky thinking but the biggest changes in transport are more likely to result from developments like the Google car than new energy sources.

Dieuwer Sep 30, 2013 5:01 pm


Originally Posted by NYCommuter (Post 21525742)
I've been reading "Transport Revolutions" by Richard Gilbert and Anthony Perl. The authors (who are certainly reputable) are convinced that oil production will drop significantly in the next few decades, requiring that transportation shift away from oil-based fuel and towards electric grid-based power (e.g., railroads, not aviation).

I suggest you return the book where you bough it from and ask for a refund.
Gilbert and Perl "reputable"?? :confused: :D

There is still plenty of oil to be discovered.


New Brazilian oil discovery may be biggest find of the year
https://www.google.com/search?q=oil+...brazil&tbm=nws

Let's see what happens with the North Pole. I'm sure there is black juice under them icecap ;)

gglave Sep 30, 2013 5:22 pm

There will never be 'electric airplanes.' Long after I'm dead we'll probably see some kind of anti-gravity vehicle powered by Mr. Fusion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCjsUxbNmIs#t=1m10s

...but in the interim, rising fuel prices will eventually turn air travel back to the realm of the wealthy and high-speed electric train travel will fill the gap.

Problem is that requires foresight from today's politicians.

EAR111pt2 Oct 1, 2013 7:07 am

Electric planes in the bush on a milk run. Hmm, guess they'd be charged up by using a current bush:p:D

tkey75 Oct 1, 2013 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by gglave (Post 21531559)
There will never be 'electric airplanes.'.

A company in Colorado will convert your AVGas powered Cessna 172 to electric, inspiring Cessna to develop a production model, still in the works.

SeriouslyLost Oct 1, 2013 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by Boghopper (Post 21530315)
Some science fiction predicts a future in which air travel is by dirigible, typically solar (but fuel cells would seem to be an option, too). Seems more plausible to me than electric airplanes.

Nah. Wing-in-ground aircraft. Nothing like doing 650km while you're 25 metres above the ocean. If someone wants to get fancy they can resurrect the coal dust powered jet engine to go with it.

Spectre17 Oct 2, 2013 12:00 am


Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost (Post 21536843)
Nah. Wing-in-ground aircraft.

I hope that was supposed to be "wing-in-ground-effect". The other one sounds like a fatal flaw or outcome. ;)

telloh Oct 2, 2013 1:21 pm

Preparing for the oil bust: electric planes?
 
The U.S government had a program during the cold war to design a plane powered by a nuclear reactor.

cynicAAl Oct 2, 2013 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by NYCommuter (Post 21525958)
... when cars and trains are moving towards electrification, what is the aviation industry doing?

trains have the option to get their power from rails or overhead lines. Cars don't require nearly the thrust & power that planes do.

I think we're stuck with Jet A for a while.

callum9999 Oct 2, 2013 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 21531471)
I suggest you return the book where you bough it from and ask for a refund.
Gilbert and Perl "reputable"?? :confused: :D

There is still plenty of oil to be discovered.



https://www.google.com/search?q=oil+...brazil&tbm=nws

Let's see what happens with the North Pole. I'm sure there is black juice under them icecap ;)

I think you're being a bit optimistic there... It's not going to run out in our lifetimes - but it won't last a hell of a lot longer than that (in sufficient quantities to be affordable for consumption by most of the planet anyway). Particularly as it's use is still rising rapidly.

My theory is that ground based transport will slowly convert to be electric based (expect to see hybrid cars becoming far more mainstream in the next few decades) leaving plenty of oil left for aviation. Bio-fuels will presumably be far more advanced and commercially viable by then as well.


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