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duniawala Aug 25, 2013 11:44 am

Busiest flight corridors
 
Came across this map showing the busiest flight corridors in the world (TwistedSifter.com). I was just surprised that the East Asia is the busiest. Would have thought Europe would be busier. What do you say.
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cblaisd Aug 25, 2013 1:06 pm

Interesting indeed.

But since the description of Travel News is


Link to and discuss the latest travel news articles.
and there is neither news article nor link, I'll send this interesting statistic to Travel Buzz while leaving a 30-day re-direct in Travel News.

Thanks,

cblaisd
Moderator, Travel News

Wiirachay Aug 25, 2013 1:10 pm

Europe and Japan have rail. In the US, DC, Philadelphia, New York, and Boston are connected by rail too, albeit not as fast as Europe or Japan.

mandolino Aug 25, 2013 4:50 pm

Pairs like MEL-SYD and JNB-CPT are large centres with not much population density in between and not many other large urban options within short-haul flying distance. They both have rail connections but flying is the only sensible option.

It's not just that they have rail in Europe - it is much more multi-nodal.

TomVexille Aug 25, 2013 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by Wiirachay (Post 21333178)
Europe and Japan have rail. In the US, DC, Philadelphia, New York, and Boston are connected by rail too, albeit not as fast as Europe or Japan.

+1


Originally Posted by mandolino (Post 21334085)
Pairs like MEL-SYD and JNB-CPT are large centres with not much population density in between and not many other large urban options within short-haul flying distance. They both have rail connections but flying is the only sensible option.

It's not just that they have rail in Europe - it is much more multi-nodal.

+1

Those two replys pretty much explain it.

will2288 Aug 25, 2013 7:16 pm

According to the ITA Matrix, for the Jeju-Seoul route:

KE flies daily:

9 x 737
10 x 747


OZ flies daily:

18 x A320/A321
1 x A330

And according to wikipedia 5 other airlines fly the route.

Not bad for an island with just under 600,000 people.

pinniped Aug 26, 2013 9:13 am

Without looking, I would have guessed that the area over New York City is the busiest air corridor in the world. But I also would have guessed that the metric is total aircraft movements through some defined three-dimensional region of space, not passenger counts. (I also would suggest that it doesn't matter where all those planes are going or coming from....just that they're in the corridor for some period of time.)

But yeah, for a citypair passenger count list, I probably would have guessed Tokyo-Osaka as #1 with Beijing-Shanghai gaining ground fast. Would never have guessed that Korean route. Rio-Sao Paolo makes sense now that I see it, but it wouldn't have come to mind offhand.

mapleg Aug 26, 2013 10:25 am


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 21337430)
But yeah, for a citypair passenger count list, I probably would have guessed Tokyo-Osaka as #1 with Beijing-Shanghai gaining ground fast. Would never have guessed that Korean route. Rio-Sao Paolo makes sense now that I see it, but it wouldn't have come to mind offhand.

I had heard for years Tokyo-Sapporo was the busiest air route. That one I understand since rail is gruelling trip for that journey, but Tokyo-Osaka is different in that you can take a Shinkansen train between the 2 cities in a little more than 2.5 hours (and generally at a cheaper price than a flight).

I realize density of population obviously affects how many flights per day there are between the 2 cities, but still, rail travel is taking the majority of the Osaka-Tokyo travellers.

CALlegacy Aug 26, 2013 10:58 am


Originally Posted by Wiirachay (Post 21333178)
Europe and Japan have rail. In the US, DC, Philadelphia, New York, and Boston are connected by rail too, albeit not as fast as Europe or Japan.

Which explains why three of the ten routes are internal Japan?

But I think train fares for fast trains in Japan are very expensive. Airfares may be less.

Still, it seems odd.

moondog Aug 26, 2013 1:10 pm

PEK-HKG should be on this list because:

-SZX and CAN use the same route
and
-almost all flights between PEK and SE Asia do so as well

In total, we're talking about ~70 flights!

pinniped Aug 26, 2013 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by mapleg (Post 21337865)
I had heard for years Tokyo-Sapporo was the busiest air route. That one I understand since rail is gruelling trip for that journey, but Tokyo-Osaka is different in that you can take a Shinkansen train between the 2 cities in a little more than 2.5 hours (and generally at a cheaper price than a flight).

I realize density of population obviously affects how many flights per day there are between the 2 cities, but still, rail travel is taking the majority of the Osaka-Tokyo travellers.

Makes sense... Didn't BCN/MAD used to make these top 10 air passenger count lists until they built a good fast nonstop train between the two?

harvyk Aug 26, 2013 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 21337430)
Without looking, I would have guessed that the area over New York City is the busiest air corridor in the world. But I also would have guessed that the metric is total aircraft movements through some defined three-dimensional region of space, not passenger counts. (I also would suggest that it doesn't matter where all those planes are going or coming from....just that they're in the corridor for some period of time.)

But yeah, for a citypair passenger count list, I probably would have guessed Tokyo-Osaka as #1 with Beijing-Shanghai gaining ground fast. Would never have guessed that Korean route. Rio-Sao Paolo makes sense now that I see it, but it wouldn't have come to mind offhand.

The airspace over NYC is very busy, but it has no direct city pairing which is important.

With routes like SYD-MEL the frequency of the service is more like a bus time table, the 7:30am service is boarding whilst the 7:00am service is just leaving the gate. The smallest a/c they run on that route is a 737 and for that you typically need to go to VA, with QF mostly running 767's and a few A330.

There is also a daily B747 service (UA's LAX-SYD-MEL flight). They have even put an A380 on the route in the past to help with backlogs in the past. In the case of SYD-MEL both cities are considered our primary cities, they are both financial and business centers for this region. It is also possible to go from MEL-SYD for a day trip and still be home in time for dinner, plus it's relatively inexpensive given most flights have options for less than $100, so it can be cheaper than arranging a hotel in the other location. So I suspect there is a lot of business people who do exactly that which bolster the numbers.

iadp Aug 26, 2013 7:33 pm

Cool, thanks for sharing OP. The Amadeus article, source for the data behind the map, is a solid read as well. I would had never guessed LCC penetration in TH or PH was >60%. High but not that high

heffa Aug 26, 2013 10:38 pm

This *only* includes direct routing, for instance JFK-LHR, but not one who bought ORD-JFK-LHR. Also, city pairs EWR/JFK-LHR seems not to be included. Pretty useless statistics...

to25sw Aug 27, 2013 3:45 am


Originally Posted by iadp (Post 21341066)
Cool, thanks for sharing OP. The Amadeus article, source for the data behind the map, is a solid read as well. I would had never guessed LCC penetration in TH or PH was >60%. High but not that high

Could you post the link to that article. Thanks!


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