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tjl Jan 26, 2013 5:08 pm


Originally Posted by mherdeg (Post 20121155)
The "able" question can actually be scoped pretty narrowly to "can you lift 50 pounds?". (Or whatever weight is indicated on the exit door.) It seems like it might have been faster to clarify rather than to reseat you.

On some airplanes, opening the exit door means moving a lever according to the instructions. On other airplanes, it means following the instructions to lift the door out (and sometimes throw it out through the opening).

Perhaps they should have demonstration exit doors for various types of aircraft in the boarding areas for people to try. Might as well have actual seats and overhead bins there as sizers for carryon baggage as well.

tjl Jan 26, 2013 5:15 pm


Originally Posted by t325 (Post 20129692)
Out of curiosity, is the person in the exit row expected to be the last passenger off the plane in event of an emergency? I know if it were me, I'd open the door and be halfway down the slide before anyone could even get up to get to the exit.

If the passenger must open the emergency exit door, the passenger should then exit the airplane in order to avoid being in the way of others attempting to exit the airplane. There really is not enough space in the exit row for anyone to be "doorman" there.

meiprisoner Jan 26, 2013 9:23 pm

I'm with the OP here. If the requirements are not listed and the task has never been attempted there is no way to know if you are "able"

nachosdelux Jan 26, 2013 10:46 pm

All you philosophy majors can pontificate all day.

Personally, I have confidence in my abilities to respond properly in an emergency, and be the first one off the aircraft.

To the OP, I appreciate your honesty and willingness to move out of the exit row if you are not 100% certain of your abilities.

grozzy Jan 27, 2013 2:52 am

I have thought it could be a good idea if airlines offered a day course for their most frequent flyers. It could cover exit doors and other general safety. As reward for completion they get priority access to exit seats.

pacer142 Jan 27, 2013 3:24 am


Originally Posted by t325 (Post 20129692)
Out of curiosity, is the person in the exit row expected to be the last passenger off the plane in event of an emergency? I know if it were me, I'd open the door and be halfway down the slide before anyone could even get up to get to the exit.

No, the first. You can't open an overwing and stay inside without being in the way.

Your job is to open the door and exit as quickly as you can. I would say any able bodied adult, with the adrenaline of the situation behind them, is entirely capable of that, and should just stop worrying.

In the event they aren't, it won't take long for someone else to shove them out of the way and open it themselves.

Neil

HelloKittysMum Jan 27, 2013 6:30 am


Originally Posted by meiprisoner (Post 20131020)
I'm with the OP here. If the requirements are not listed and the task has never been attempted there is no way to know if you are "able"

There are plenty of people who even though they have never had to do it would definitely not be able. (and I have seen plenty sitting in exit row seats who I hope I am never dependent on)

MSPeconomist Jan 27, 2013 6:57 am


Originally Posted by grozzy (Post 20131836)
I have thought it could be a good idea if airlines offered a day course for their most frequent flyers. It could cover exit doors and other general safety. As reward for completion they get priority access to exit seats.

DL does this: road warrior training at their FA training center at ATL. Unfortunately, it doesn't give priority access to exit rows and many FAs and GAs have never heard of the program.

swag Jan 27, 2013 6:59 am


Originally Posted by zceuxbhjutf (Post 20125149)
Wait, what???

How can AA think setting it down inside the plane is a good idea? I don't care how small it might be, that's where the people are and as each second passes more and more people are coming toward it.

Chuck the door outside, folks! We won't be needing it later anyway. Thank you.


There was a thread about this several years ago. IIRC, the consensus was AA feared that that if you tried to toss it out the hatch, there was a chance it might only get part way out - since it's so heavy, remember - and now you have the door blocking the hatch, with one of the handles maybe outside and unreachable. Or that it might become an obstacle sittong on the wing, tripping pax after they exited.

The AA instructions say to pull it inside and lay it across the armrests on the row of seats. But this seems especially precarious on the AB two seat side: either the door is balanced and wobbling on the single armrest between the seats; or else it's extending to the aisle armrest, where it could be easily hit by an evacuating passenger and knocked forward to block access to the exit door.

Questions like this are why I would like to have a chance to practice it.

swag Jan 27, 2013 7:02 am

Prior thread, including a pic of the instruction card.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...doors-out.html

Jenbel Jan 27, 2013 7:35 am


Originally Posted by OskiBear (Post 20122402)
I suspect most just simply say "Yes" if they are able-bodied adults who think they can lift 50lbs (if they even process that much.) More likely most parties say "Yes" so they can stay in the exit row.

However, if in your mind you have the slightest shred of doubt, you should say "no."

I don't want someone who is paralyzed by fear and indecision in the face of an emergency blocking the window exit. Just as I don't like sitting in the window seats - I don't really want to wait for two people to make up their minds to evacuate.

People respond/react differently to such situations. If you're not someone whose knee-jerk reaction is to spring into action, please do not sit by the window exit.

+1

It's not just about being able to open the door. You may have to make the decision about whether you should open the door - and the lives of the people around you may depend on your ability to make that decision. And you should also know when not to open the door.

I think we get too caught up in the exit row seat having more space, and not with the responsibility of what sitting in that row can actually mean.

Too many plane fires where if you are more than a few rows from any exit, you are dead to risk losing an exit due to someone thinking the exit row is only about the space, and not the potential responsibility which comes with it :(

Auto Enthusiast Jan 27, 2013 7:42 am

I once was upgraded to an E+ exit row on a UA ORD-EWR flight. The FA asked the usual questions of me and the person in the adjacent seat. I wonder for international flights, what is the language comprehension criteria? Do the passengers in the exit row have to understand instructions in 2 or more languages, or just English?

shizzy Jan 27, 2013 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by Auto Enthusiast (Post 20132634)
I once was upgraded to an E+ exit row on a UA ORD-EWR flight. The FA asked the usual questions of me and the person in the adjacent seat. I wonder for international flights, what is the language comprehension criteria? Do the passengers in the exit row have to understand instructions in 2 or more languages, or just English?

On most if not all the international flights I've been on, the FAs will speak the language spoken in the departing/arriving country and definitely enough English to communicate clearly enough. Plus I'd be pretty sure they get the script in all the relevant languages they need.

nrr Jan 27, 2013 7:08 pm

I was on an AA flight a few days ago. When the FA (before takeoff) came to the two sets of rows to explain what the conditions are for an exit aisle seat, when she asked "can everyone do what is required", she then instructed everyone to respond with "yes".:)
I am certain the woman next to me could not "work" the exit door...

zceuxbhjutf Jan 27, 2013 8:06 pm


Originally Posted by swag (Post 20132489)
Prior thread, including a pic of the instruction card.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...doors-out.html

Thank you, swag! For AA from now on I'll choose "window" if I get the exit row. I'll play it by ear, but I'm leaning toward "chucking it outside despite the instruction card".


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