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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
(Post 32246009)
Sorry for my absence gang - we had an extended power outage yesterday. Here's hoping you're all doing well with lots to keep you happily occupied over the coming days.
3A. What U.S. air carrier was the first to order the Lockheed L-188 Electra and how many did they initially order? I'll at least get this one started. I'm pretty sure this was American. As to the rest of the question re. fleet numbers, I've no idea. How about 30? 3B. The air carrier in question above operated its new Electra aircraft in two class configuration. How many seats were there in first class and how many seats were there in coach on these airplanes? Wild guess... First Class was pretty large back then... let's go with 28 up front and 48 in back 3B. It was more than 28 seats up front in first and less than 48 seats in the back in coach. In fact, the airline in question initially configured their new Electra aircraft with more first class than coach seats. |
Originally Posted by KT550
(Post 32247013)
... My original list still has 28 civil types (including one jet airliner) which haven't been found yet. ...
we can also check off "Aztec" -- Piper and Pontiac (although the latter spelled it "Aztek") |
Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 32248448)
not sure if your jet airliner is the "Citation" -- which Enterprise Airlines operated in scheduled service for ~two years -- which shares the nomenclature with Chevrolet we can also check off "Aztec" -- Piper and Pontiac (although the latter spelled it "Aztek")
https://kustomrama.com/wiki/Bill_Car...1955_Chevrolet The Citation was new but not the airliner I had in mind, which is a 100+ seater. |
I thought YVR Cockroach had already identified the Ford Motor Company "Mercury" which Dassault instantiated as the "Mercure" ... a poster child for "orphan" airliner models, as Quiz regulars well know, with only a dozen of the type produced (surprisingly, seven are still extant) ... should probably update the scoresheet at some point
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Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 32248599)
I thought YVR Cockroach had already identified the Ford Motor Company "Mercury" which Dassault instantiated as the "Mercure" ... a poster child for "orphan" airliner models, as Quiz regulars well know, with only a dozen of the type produced (surprisingly, seven are still extant) ... should probably update the scoresheet at some point
would be a better fit spelling wise with the Ford Mercury brand. It was also a Chevrolet model from 1933 https://auto.howstuffworks.com/1933-...nd-mercury.htm The above link also reveals the Chevrolet Eagle which pairs with the McDD F-15. The Mercure is not the airliner I had in mind.... |
3A. What U.S. air carrier was the first to order the Lockheed L-188 Electra and how many did they initially order? I'll at least get this one started. I'm pretty sure this was American. As to the rest of the question re. fleet numbers, I've no idea. How about 30? 3A. Nope, it wasn't American. And the air carrier in question took delivery of less than 30 new aircraft from the factory.....but later acquired three Electras from American Well, the first airline to get the Electra was Eastern, but they got more than 30, so I'll go for National who ordered 14. Surprising they ordered first, but there you are. They were probably still running their pre-WW2 Lockheed Electras then within Florida as well, plus Lockheed Constellations. |
Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 32249747)
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Well, the first airline to get the Electra was Eastern, but they got more than 30, so I'll go for National who ordered 14. Surprising they ordered first, but there you are. They were probably still running their pre-WW2 Lockheed Electras then within Florida as well, plus Lockheed Constellations. 3A. Correct! According to Jon Proctor, the first scheduled Electra flight operated by National took place on yours truly's birthday in 1959 on the New York to Miami route: I turned six years old on April 23 of that year and four years later I would take my very first airline flight which just happened to be on board an Electra operated by PSA from LAX to SFO. So now we are looking for an answer to 3B..... How many seats in first class and coach were there on board National's Electras when the type first entered service with the airline? BTW, it's interesting to note that when National was operating service into Key West back in the late 1940's with the Lockheed Model 18 Lodestar, the runway at Key West appears to have not been paved. And National's marketing slogans back then included "The Buccaneer Route" as well as "Route of the Buccaneers"..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhe...028200559).jpg |
back to eponymous cars and aircraft -- the general aviation sector seems to be well represented
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Originally Posted by jrl767
(Post 32252344)
back to eponymous cars and aircraft -- the general aviation sector seems to be well represented
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Originally Posted by jlemon
(Post 32251172)
BTW, it's interesting to note that when National was operating service into Key West back in the late 1940's with the Lockheed Model 18 Lodestar, the runway at Key West appears to have not been paved. And National's marketing slogans back then included "The Buccaneer Route" as well as "Route of the Buccaneers".....
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Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 32253698)
In earlier times National long used the "Buccaneer" slogan and image, apparently meant by National president George T Baker as a running gag personal slight against Eastern's president Eddie Rickenbacker, who was known to have a short-fuse temper, and who constantly opposed National's route requests. The artist drew the cartoon-style Buccaneer with certain of Rickenbacker's characteristics exaggerated ! Anyway, we shan't be too hard on Eddie, who throughout WW2 was a constant supporter of the UK government to the US administration.
buccaneer - 1. a pirate. 2. one of the piratical adventurers who raided the Spanish colonies and shipping in America. And here's a National timetable cover from 1940 depicting what may well be the airline's original "The Buccaneer Route"..... http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...4/na4004-1.jpg Plus here's a National timetable cover from 1947 with an illustration of a buccaneer who just might bear a passing resemblance to Mr. Rickenbacker..... http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...07/na4707a.jpg |
another from the military side of the house: Cutlass -- Vought (F7U) and Oldsmobile
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I think it would have been easier to do aircraft names that were never car names ...
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Do Trim Levels Count?
I thought it was interesting when Dassault started to give its Falcon bizjets model numbers that sound an awful lot like Honda Accord trim levels:
Falcon 900DX, 900EX, 900LX Falcon 2000DX, 2000EX, 2000LX, 2000LXS Hardly anyone opted for the DX trim line in either jet. Bombardier also got in on the action with their Learjet 75LXi |
Skyhawk. Douglas and Buick
Tempest Hawker and Pontiac |
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