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SFO777 Jun 21, 2011 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by Seat 2A (Post 16603409)
Those who sniff that International First Class airline food can't hold a candle to earthbound food are certainly entitled to their opinion but I'm pretty sure they're in the minority here at FlyerTalk, as well as the rest of the world. It's not so much the food quality (although I've been served some downright excellent food aloft) as it is the overall experience that most of us are so taken with.
For many of us that fly for a living or just fly alot or just njoy those occasions when we do fly at all, a seat in International First Class represents a rare and cherished treat that is the pinnacle of airborne existence.

Well said Seat2A. Even though I fly somewhere in NA almost every week, the anticipation and excitement of 12-14 hours of IFC pampering by SQ, CX or LH never grows old. I'm 72 hours from another 12 hours in First on LH and can't wait. :)

macabus Jun 21, 2011 9:09 pm


Originally Posted by Seat 2A (Post 16603409)
Those who sniff that International First Class airline food can't hold a candle to earthbound food are certainly entitled to their opinion but I'm pretty sure they're in the minority here at FlyerTalk, as well as the rest of the world. It's not so much the food quality (although I've been served some downright excellent food aloft) as it is the overall experience that most of us are so taken with. Remember, most of us are sat in Economy Class most of the year. I think many of us would agree that being graciously served a seven course meal on linen and china while comfortably ensconced in a $90000 high tech suite 39000 feet above the planet is distinctly different from our everyday life experience, is pretty cool and is indeed worthy of some reminiscing on in trip reports. When you consider the various pleasures of flying in International First Class, and writing about it, it's easy to see why trip reporters focus on the food and drink because the vast majority of us find it more interesting to read about and/or look at than long descriptions and/or pictures of how comfortable their seat is.

The good news for those of you who feel otherwise is that you'll find a good number of trip reports here at FT that focus very little on getting there and much more on being there.

For many of us that fly for a living or just fly alot or just enjoy those occasions when we do fly at all, a seat in International First Class represents a rare and cherished treat that is the pinnacle of airborne existence. It's fun to read about, complete with pictures and descriptions. Outside of FlyerTalk, I don't know where else I could read quality reports about flying around the world in First Class.

So to all of you who submit pictures of your Champagne and caviar and write interesting and detailed trip reports, you go right ahead and fly your freak flags high and proud! Most of us love your reports and subsequent discourse!

Kudos, you described the experience perfectly.

phedre Jun 21, 2011 9:13 pm


Originally Posted by Seat 2A (Post 16603409)
For many of us that fly for a living or just fly alot or just enjoy those occasions when we do fly at all, a seat in International First Class represents a rare and cherished treat that is the pinnacle of airborne existence. It's fun to read about, complete with pictures and descriptions. Outside of FlyerTalk, I don't know where else I could read quality reports about flying around the world in First Class.

Preach it. That's EXACTLY why I love my rare trips in Intl. F. I spend countless hours squeezed into Y seats for work, earning the miles for those trips. It's a true treat that I enjoy to the utmost. And being able to share it with the people I love is priceless.

Plus, champagne and caviar are damned delicious :p

SFflyer123 Jun 21, 2011 9:27 pm

One more for ya!
 

Originally Posted by SFO777 (Post 16603556)
Well said Seat2A. Even though I fly somewhere in NA almost every week, the anticipation and excitement of 12-14 hours of IFC pampering by SQ, CX or LH never grows old. I'm 72 hours from another 12 hours in First on LH and can't wait. :)

Where you off to next? I anticipate a nice TR from you! :p


Originally Posted by Seat 2A (Post 16603409)
Outside of FlyerTalk, I don't know where else I could read quality reports about flying around the world in First Class.

Airliners.net is actually much bigger and more comprehensive than FT trip reports.


Originally Posted by SFO777 (Post 16603242)
I think pictures might be better than words in this thread. ;)

Let me add one in also!
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/...2080c8054b.jpg
caviar to start by sfflyer123, on Flickr

phedre Jun 21, 2011 9:41 pm


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 16603744)

Lufthansa F? I recognize the little yellow baggie for the lemon :D

SMART51 Jun 21, 2011 9:58 pm


Originally Posted by phedre (Post 16603821)
Lufthansa F? I recognize the little yellow baggie for the lemon :D

And the pretzel bread.

I do not understand, if a person is traveling in F and he writes a trip report about that experience, should he omit the food, drink, service etc..., from his report so some here don't feel jealous? OK next time i fly F i will take a walk to Y and report on the food and drink. Now is everybody happy????
And BTW next time if the header says F in it don't read it,period.

SFO777 Jun 21, 2011 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 16603744)
Where you off to next? I anticipate a nice TR from you! :p

Baltic Cruise starting in ARN. And yes, there will pics of caviar and champagne. ;)

Ancien Maestro Jun 21, 2011 10:45 pm


Originally Posted by IAHRyan (Post 16600484)
I think it’s part of the FT mentality of getting lots and lots and lots (i.e., long haul F rewards) for very, very little (credit card applications or flying we do for work).

It’s about getting something we couldn’t normally afford or couldn’t justify purchasing. Sure, I have the money for a bottle of Dom, but I wouldn’t spend it on that. Getting it for free on an award ticket though? ^

Getting a little of the high life without paying for is a big part of FT, IMO.

+1..

and for probably every consumer outside of FT too..

I think its only human nature..:)

Ancien Maestro Jun 21, 2011 10:48 pm


Originally Posted by mapleg (Post 16602130)
In my part of the world (overtaxed) Krug is $250 bucks a bottle at the only place I can buy it, a government monopoly store.

So if someone wants to give it to me as part and parcel of a flight I have paid for (either with miles or revenue ticket), then why should I not drink it?

As for caviar, I will eat it, but I certainly would never buy it.

Those discussions seem no different than hotel guests getting all excited that they get access to a special lounge with a free drink or two.

Each to their own, and I find the conversations on that topic more interesting than endless discussions about theoretical upgrade availability.

All of this Dom and Caviar talk..

Reminds me.. and probably most.. about the "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.."

Generally Flying in the beginning and to this day to a certain degree.. is a privelege for those who can afford to..

After all.. its' "Champagne Wishes and Caviar Dreams" we all hope for..

Seat 2A Jun 21, 2011 11:44 pm


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 16603744)
Airliners.net is actually much bigger and more comprehensive than FT trip reports.

My experience at Airliners.net about eight years ago was not to my liking. Many of the reports were about Y class travel and seemed to be written by enthusiastic kids with descriptions of flap settings and numbers of passengers boarded. Some of the responses were not particularly mature, either.

Though I haven't been back to Airliners.net since, I stopped going there mainly because I thought that, regardless of class travelled, the reports were generally better written at FlyerTalk.

Eastbay1K Jun 21, 2011 11:51 pm


Originally Posted by macabus (Post 16603319)
What no one has mentioned is that along with the Krug and Don and Caviar, is exemplary service, amenity kits, seats/suites, ground services, etc.

I've had dozens of international F flights on UA and AA and it doesn't do a damn thing for me. But the 100+ F flights I've taken on SQ, LX, CX, etc. have created indelible memories that I constantly cherish.

I had a number of exemplary UA F flights, but it was during the last century. Never as "polished" as the other carriers, but excellent service, along with the dom and caviar, vodka chilled in the ice sculpture, etc. Main courses you could enjoy, and cheese and dessert carts a decent restaurant would be proud to serve.

I think the reason for the obsession is the same reason that dogs lick themselves. When we sit in F on hard-earned miles or upgrades, we are going to take part in whatever the airline can do to make us feel good. That should sum it up.

Swissaire Jun 22, 2011 1:15 am

Caviar would not have done much for me on a 10 hour TAM flight with a broken seat.

GetSetJetSet Jun 22, 2011 4:35 am


Originally Posted by macabus (Post 16603319)
What no one has mentioned is that along with the Krug and Don and Caviar, is exemplary service, amenity kits, seats/suites, ground services, etc.

I've had dozens of international F flights on UA and AA and it doesn't do a damn thing for me. But the 100+ F flights I've taken on SQ, LX, CX, etc. have created indelible memories that I constantly cherish.

No one is saying that F isn't worth it. I very much enjoy the experience. I just don't feel the need to binge drink like a 16 year old because the champagne is free. I think that behavior is gauche. I assume you will take issue since you wrote a trip report about drinking like 8 bottles of champagne while aloft.

GetSetJetSet Jun 22, 2011 4:39 am


Originally Posted by SMART51 (Post 16603896)
And the pretzel bread.

I do not understand, if a person is traveling in F and he writes a trip report about that experience, should he omit the food, drink, service etc..., from his report so some here don't feel jealous? OK next time i fly F i will take a walk to Y and report on the food and drink. Now is everybody happy????
And BTW next time if the header says F in it don't read it,period.

Missing the point completely...I enjoy reading the TR's and encourage people to keep writing them (I wrote one recently myself about my last SQ F flight). However, some people seem to be overly fixated on gorging themselves on items deemed "luxury" while they can get at them for "free" in the air.

celle Jun 22, 2011 6:22 am


Originally Posted by GetSetJetSet (Post 16600054)
These two items seem to be the focus of nearly every discussion/TR on F. You'd think they only served Dom at 35k feet.

Wow! I've been on Flyertalk for about 18 months and I've never seen a mention of champagne or caviar.

I must be looking at all the wrong threads!


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