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Originally Posted by chipster
(Post 15466706)
And another thing...in UK on BA we are never told we have to turn everything OFF, just that if the device has a flight safe mode, it should be enabled prior to departure, and any device that sends or receives calls or data (such as bluetooth, texts, wifi etc) should be switched off unless it is in flight-safe mode. It is irritating when some jokers like to leave their blackberries on silent. One day I will say something!
Originally Posted by CheetahSA
On BA no headphones during take-off & landing but phones in flight-safe mode is fine.
(when discussed on a previous thread in the BA forum, the exact wording from the video was produced which showed that those who said it didn't say to turn things off were wrong and were hearing selectively what they wanted to hear - apparently not the statement that 'all electronice devices should be turned off for take-off and landing'). |
The BA announcement on switching off needs to be revised then, as it is ambiguous and those of us who have heard it many times still may be interpreting it wrongly. Occasional flyers will have no chance then. It should say that you should switch to flight safe AND THEN switch off completely, if that's what is intended. Still, no headphones allowed, and I always switch my laptop wifi and bluetooth off prior to departure but I always then just put it into hibernate.
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Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
(Post 15467032)
I have a problem with that type of thinking and believe it achieves the opposite effect to what is intended. By trying to achieve a (desirable)secondary result from a questionable instruction you just end up with a lot of people who think "that doesn't make sense - I'll ignore it as far as I can get away with it".
The underlying FAA regulation for the US is part of 14 CFR Part 91. In that maze of rules is section 21(a) which says: Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate, nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft allow the operation of, any portable electronic device on any of the following U.S.-registered civil aircraft: Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used. In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate, the determination required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall be made by that operator of the aircraft on which the particular device is to be used. In the case of other aircraft, the determination may be made by the pilot in command or other operator of the aircraft. Farther down in the FARs you'll find 91.523 which talks about carry-on items, but does not specify when these items need to be stowed, only that they be stowed in a way that prevents them from moving forward in the event of a crash or crash-like sudden stop. The airlines are likely mentally combining this rule with 91.535 which is quite specific that the aircraft cannot be taxied, take-off or land with food items at the passenger's seats, with service carts not stowed, with tray tables or seat-backs in the "wrong" position, and movie screens in the aisle-way. But underlying all of this is that the airlines and the pilots fall under the 11'th Commandment - "thou shalt not f*ck up". Anything which might get the airline in hot water will be viewed by the airline lawyers as a no-no, and the fact that prohibitions on items might be non-sensical, or that things are not consistently applied on every flight, is a dont-care so long as liability is somewhat constrained. Airlines have cart-blanche to tell you what to do with your laptop, headphones, and kindle, because if something does happen, there's a trigger happy trial lawyer somewhere ready to sue because your laptop was on. My advice, consider your friendly (or not so friendly) FA to be the equivalent of a municipal motor cop, if you are in his/her sights, all the kvetching in the world about laws and constitutionality wont keep you off the hood of the car face-down in hand-cuffs. Be polite, follow the instructions, and if you really feel your civil rights have been trampled, file a complaint. It seems like at least on UA (for now) you'll get an eCert for your inconvenience. Even better, do a little prep in advance and be prepared for arbitrary instructions like forcing you to pull the battery to prove your device is 'off'. Thats the way it is, just like your parents used to tell you, "because and I said so" (and the US Government made it that way). |
My advice, consider your friendly (or not so friendly) FA to be the equivalent of a municipal motor cop, if you are in his/her sights, all the kvetching in the world about laws and constitutionality wont keep you off the hood of the car face-down in hand-cuffs. I always try to be the easiest passenger on the airplane, and as a result, I get excellent friendly service. |
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