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Superich Aug 9, 2013 10:26 pm

Privacy concerns with itinerary management programs
 
I have been looking into signing up with tripit, tripcase or worldmate, however with the revelations of nearly all US based tech companies sharing their user info with the government, it seems as though I might as well be sending cc copies of all my traveling to the FBI and NSA if I sign up with them.

Is there any reason to believe that there would be some degree of privacy with these services? Would my itineraries be stored on their servers or only forwarded to my device? Are there any non-US based companies supplying this kind of service?

angatol Aug 11, 2013 5:08 pm

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Sorthum Aug 12, 2013 9:25 pm

Yeah, precisely. Do you *really* think the airlines don't have data sharing agreements with the US government? "Give us the data or you can't fly here" is a compelling argument...

ne52 Aug 13, 2013 7:50 am

If they're pulling your email anyways, wouldn't they already have the receipts and confirmations of your flights?

Who do you think manages the no-fly list that the airlines are checking your name against?


Sorry but the horse has already left the barn on this one.

Superich Aug 14, 2013 11:03 pm


Originally Posted by Sorthum (Post 21261603)
Yeah, precisely. Do you *really* think the airlines don't have data sharing agreements with the US government? "Give us the data or you can't fly here" is a compelling argument...

About 80% of my flying is not on US airlines and does not involve an origin, destination or stopover in the US.

shorthauldad Aug 24, 2013 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by Superich (Post 21275879)
About 80% of my flying is not on US airlines and does not involve an origin, destination or stopover in the US.

I think it's safe to assume that the big GDSes hand over data to the US Government. Whether your flight goes anywhere near the US or the airline is US-based isn't really relevant - bookings cross national boundaries all the time:


Around 500 airlines and 95,000 travel agency locations depend on the Amadeus Data Centre to deliver almost half a billion net bookings every year and run extremely complex airline systems
Amadeus may have their main data centre in Erding, DE (just down the road from MUC) ... but do you really think they're exempt from "assisting" the US Government if push comes to shove?

Hint: David Miranda wasn't flying on a US airline, and his itinerary didn't involve an origin, destination or stopover in the US either.

coastalguy Aug 30, 2013 7:32 pm

You don't need to worry about an itinerary management program/app handing your information over to the United States government. It's already processed via TSA Secure Flight assuming your flight originates/terminates or transits the CONUS or any of her territories - regardless of airline. TSA-SF also applies to point-to-point flights not meeting the aforementioned criteria when operated by US-based airlines.

Boogie711 Sep 5, 2013 11:24 am

I always laugh at these type of posts. Either the OP has a vastly inflated sense of self-worth, or they're running drugs and/or illegal weapons.

Do you honestly think the US Government cares where you're going? And if so, why do YOU care that they care?

If it's that important to you, fly private.

javabytes Sep 7, 2013 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by Boogie711 (Post 21393905)
I always laugh at these type of posts. Either the OP has a vastly inflated sense of self-worth, or they're running drugs and/or illegal weapons.

Do you honestly think the US Government cares where you're going? And if so, why do YOU care that they care?

If it's that important to you, fly private.

Not to divert this into an OMNI/PR topic, but that's the tired old "if you're not doing anything wrong, you should have nothing to hide" baloney.

"It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it."


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