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Originally Posted by ma91pmh
(Post 20418065)
Has anyone else noticed a prolifertion of obviously professional, hotel provided photos on tripadvisor recently?
Given how useless the reviews have become, I have been using the site more and more as a way of just getting real, candid pictures of the property so you can at least get a sense of the physical property. Here is but one example: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Rev..._Colorado.html Look at the "traveler" photos. Those provided by VFM Leonardo Inc are clearly professional images that I can just get from their website. I do know that TA is reviewing and censoring images that are being uploaded, so they are clearly complicit in allowing this to happen. |
Originally Posted by lancebanyon
(Post 20418302)
Yep, that about gets it. There are obviously fake reviews and professional photos, but so far they are fairly easy to mentally filter. TA still has value, you just have to filter out the junk, plus any place that does have a number of fake reviews is automatically suspect.
Originally Posted by ma91pmh
(Post 20418429)
You don't think the hotel's are one step ahead? Signing up new users to write single reviews is so 2010. Now you can find people advertising long-standing profiles complete with pictures of "real" people to make people think their reviews are genuine. A well established and "respectful" online profile has monetary value. So don't think it is so easy to avoid fake reviews.
But the photos is just a clear cut example of where TA is clearly turning a complete and utter blind eye to it's own apparent rules. I usually filter out any hotel where there is the wrong distribution of reviews (too many poor/terrible reviews vs. the number of very positive reviews). Assuming that a place that has a lot of false positives would bring in a bunch of unsuspecting travelers who then would produce a bunch of poor reviews. But we agree on the fact that TA could do a much better job of managing the reviews and photos. |
Originally Posted by ma91pmh
(Post 20418065)
Has anyone else noticed a prolifertion of obviously professional, hotel provided photos on tripadvisor recently?
Given how useless the reviews have become, I have been using the site more and more as a way of just getting real, candid pictures of the property so you can at least get a sense of the physical property. Here is but one example: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Rev..._Colorado.html Look at the "traveler" photos. Those provided by VFM Leonardo Inc are clearly professional images that I can just get from their website. I do know that TA is reviewing and censoring images that are being uploaded, so they are clearly complicit in allowing this to happen. |
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 20419504)
there is no review associated with the photos (a blue titled item beneath the photo). There isn't anything dishonest going on - it is very easy to tell the pro photos from the amateur ones, just see which ones are under the blue "professional photos" link first.
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My biggest problem with TA of late is the censoring of threads. There is a need to sugar coat the destinations that borders on fraudulent. Just recently, the Anguilla board was scrubbed of several threads related to an attempted armed robbery at Blanchard's and a robbery at Little Bay. Some of these posts had close to 200 comments. All gone. Other posters reported a similar pattern on the T&C board. If these boards are meant to give a true picture of a destination, leaving out crime reports seems to leave a gaping hole. This points to a very cozy relationship to the destinations, hotels, etc. at the expense of truth.
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TA is still extremely useful IMHO. I use it all the time and have had pretty consistent results over the times I have used it.
If you're only looking at overall ratings, then it can be pretty useless, but if you actually read through and do real research it is still extremely useful. |
Originally Posted by Mickidon
(Post 20420157)
My biggest problem with TA of late is the censoring of threads. There is a need to sugar coat the destinations that borders on fraudulent. Just recently, the Anguilla board was scrubbed of several threads related to an attempted armed robbery at Blanchard's and a robbery at Little Bay. Some of these posts had close to 200 comments. All gone. Other posters reported a similar pattern on the T&C board. If these boards are meant to give a true picture of a destination, leaving out crime reports seems to leave a gaping hole. This points to a very cozy relationship to the destinations, hotels, etc. at the expense of truth.
I think everything on tripadvisorneeds to be seen as only partly factual. There are no objective standards of measurement their algorithm for ratings is not really valid are not weighted for number of responses and without knowing the profile of the traveler and their preferences it may not be useful info. Is it his a first time young budget traveler who thinks 200 dollars a night is a lot of money for a hotel ? From a different culture where the different levels of service are expected? |
Originally Posted by RenHoek
(Post 20418102)
I submitted a news article about prostitution busts at the local hooker hotel.
They denied my entry. |
Originally Posted by worldiswide
(Post 20422177)
I think everything on tripadvisorneeds to be seen as only partly factual. There are no objective standards of measurement their algorithm for ratings is not really valid are not weighted for number of responses and without knowing the profile of the traveler and their preferences it may not be useful info. Is it his a first time young budget traveler who thinks 200 dollars a night is a lot of money for a hotel ? From a different culture where the different levels of service are expected?
∑(Rating)(Rating) *Wt (don't know how to make a superscript in FT) If Yelp can do it, I don't know why TA couldn't. It shouldn't be that hard. As it is now, you can just about get a top 10 rating in a city simply by having 20 people with 1 review each giving a rating of 5. It's easy to filter those, but TA's algorithm should be doing that. |
I think there are a number of things that don't add up with their ratings. If one hotel has 8 good ratings and no bad it could come up higher rated than 200 reviews with a different distribution. And yes the number of reviews should factor in since more history should theoretically be valued more highly. Maybe there should be a newly rated but until there are x number of reviews it ant be on the list.
But a more basic question is what is being rated on a TA review? Who is the average reviewer? A 3 4 5 star traveler? Young old ? Domestic traveler mostly but reviewing first international experience? if my profile isn't like the reviewer their information may not be useful. Unbiased does not mean useful correct reliable or repeatable. Buyer beware. |
I agree with you 150 percent. I have stayed at nice hotels and read the TripAdvisors ratings with a grain of salt. If a hotel is an AAA 4 diamond then I can trust that AAA took the time necessary to reserve it.
TripAdvisor is good for photos and its fun to read what others have posted. I write honest reviews on Yelp and Trip Advisor as I consider myself a seasoned traveler who loves helping others. |
Originally Posted by cheltzel
(Post 20418858)
+1
Personally, I don't think there are that many places that would buy or manufacture seemingly legitimate profiles for the purpose of generating positive reviews. My guess is it would be too costly. |
Originally Posted by cheltzel
(Post 20418858)
+1Personally, I don't think there are that many places that would buy or manufacture seemingly legitimate profiles for the purpose of generating positive reviews. My guess is it would be too costly.
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We have also been places where at the check in desk there have been not so subtle requests to add a positive review on TA. Its not easy for he small operator and the internet is a nig stage Big hospitality enterprises have always had marketing budgets and can get their name in lights more easily. Some of the best hotels in india have bad and nit picky reviews on ta that really surprised me Otoh we choose a place to stay in a small town in new Zealand Based on TA reviews and it was terrific. Expectations of travel experiences are very personal
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Originally Posted by RenHoek
(Post 20418102)
I submitted a news article about prostitution busts at the local hooker hotel.
They denied my entry. Wouldn't you like to know about news reports about the hotel you might choose, whether a murder or rash of car break ins? I haven't trusted them since. Censorship is alway wrong. |
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