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I guess we're opposites. I always start with the release candidates.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 7058857)
And I'll install Vista when, at least, SP1 has been issued. I never upgrade to new Microsoft OSs on their initial release -- too many bugs, too many security holes, and too much incompatibility with the software that I use.
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Alternatives to MS include Mac (OS/X) and Linux.
You can always vote with choice of OS. |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 7059026)
I NEVER upgrade a Microsoft OS or Office. NEVER! The kind of nonsense you talk about here and the difficulties with upgrading that sometimes occur are not something I want to ask for. I keep each system with the OS and Office version that comes on it. When I buy a new system, I get the current OS. Apples on the other hand, I pretty routinely upgrade to the latest OSX version. So I basically wont play the game with Microsoft because of how they play it. It isnt much but they dont get anything from me for new software except when I buy new hardware.
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Originally Posted by CVO 1K 2 Million
(Post 7059151)
Alternatives to MS include Mac (OS/X) and Linux.
You can always vote with choice of OS. |
Originally Posted by lmz00
(Post 7059176)
I can understand not upgrading Windows... but Office? :confused:
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 7058599)
What kind of business model penalizes legitimate customers at the expense of pirates who are not, in the least, inconvenienced?
I don't know. Maybe you *are* a special case. Maybe you're part of that small group of computer users that truly can't use WINE or run alternatives to the programs that you're using, and aren't a large enough client to convince the developer to code it for a different OS. I guess all I can say is, "damn, that sucks; sorry I can't do a thing for you". But I would venture to say there's a good number of people who run the same software you do who have the same frustrations. It may be that the time is now to band together and give the developers a piece of your (collective) mind. With software that specialized, I would think you wouldn't have to bring that big a group together to motivate the developer. Of course, the whole lot of you might not have the time, money, or effort to spare. In which case, things will stay as they are. Oh well, it's not like things can get much worse...right? |
Out of curiosity, when you turned the machine back on after installing the new nic, did you install the new NIC drivers BEFORE attempting to activate it?
I have a sneaking feeling that you turned it on and tried the activation before the new nic was correctly installed. It is (to me) the only way to describe the faliure of the activation wizard. If the machine can't contact the internet then it makes sense that the activation will fail. |
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7059692)
Out of curiosity, when you turned the machine back on after installing the new nic, did you install the new NIC drivers BEFORE attempting to activate it?
I have a sneaking feeling that you turned it on and tried the activation before the new nic was correctly installed. It is (to me) the only way to describe the faliure of the activation wizard. If the machine can't contact the internet then it makes sense that the activation will fail. |
Originally Posted by birdstrike
(Post 7054731)
You should. It is my understanding that class action suits net the lawyers millions of dollars in fees. I would not begrudge you a single one. ^
Changing a NIC triggers reactivation? That's absurd. I also agree with giving a phony name and phone number. Does the EULA require that you provide Microsoft accurate personal information? --PP |
Originally Posted by opus17
(Post 7058656)
Changing a network card will cause a lot of expensive applications to fail, since a lot of their licenses are tied to the MAC address (I'm not talking about store-bought applications, but specialty ones).
Others have a HASP key (USB dongle) that I don't think there's a cloning or emulation hack out for yet. --PP |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 7058857)
And I'll install Vista when, at least, SP1 has been issued. I never upgrade to new Microsoft OSs on their initial release -- too many bugs, too many security holes, and too much incompatibility with the software that I use.
--PP |
Originally Posted by VideoPaul
(Post 7059763)
Changing a NIC triggers reactivation? That's absurd. I also agree with giving a phony name and phone number. Does the EULA require that you provide Microsoft accurate personal information? --PP As for the EULA, it doesn't say the information has to be accurate, I think it has to be made clear that the request for information had NOTHING to do with the activation process. Activating XP is an anonymous process and no information is required. The request for a name and number were made by the support department, to me it seems only reasonable that someone providing support over the phone knows a) who they are dealing with and b) who to call back if a call drops. Providing this information to open a support case is the most normal thing in the world, but since it is Microsoft asking it I guess it is seen as the most terrible intrusion into someones private life and worthy of lawsuits. I don't think any company will give tech support over the phone without at least knowing who they are dealing with. You can call yourself any name you want, but at least don't make those poor call center rep's life even more miserable by playing legal eagle on the phone with them, they are only there to help them. By not helping them with a simple request you invalidate IMHO the right to complain how long the call takes. |
Originally Posted by ScottC
(Post 7059820)
Activating XP is an anonymous process and no information is required. The request for a name and number were made by the support department, to me it seems only reasonable that someone providing support over the phone knows a) who they are dealing with and b) who to call back if a call drops.
Providing this information to open a support case is the most normal thing in the world, but since it is Microsoft asking it I guess it is seen as the most terrible intrusion into someones private life and worthy of lawsuits. I don't think any company will give tech support over the phone without at least knowing who they are dealing with. You can call yourself any name you want, but at least don't make those poor call center rep's life even more miserable by playing legal eagle on the phone with them, they are only there to help them. By not helping them with a simple request you invalidate IMHO the right to complain how long the call takes. |
Originally Posted by phlflyer927
(Post 7059952)
When I've had a problem with the Activation Wizard, I've had to call the phone number that popped up on the screen and then punch in the code manually. I was never asked for personal info. Sounds like the OP just took the wrong route to get their problem solved. Going through the suport queue means that you're going to get treated like anyone else opening a support ticket, which means them asking for your name, phone # etc.
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