Mac computer advice requested.
 

Calling all Mac users...

So I need a "Mac" computer (whatever that exactly means) primarily to be used for creative writing, though not by me. There will also be a minor requirement to upload photos from a digital camera but not particular need for PhotoShopping, etc. And in the long term, there's a small possiblity that it may be used to create short video clips like you might see on YouTube.

Being completely unknowledgable about such things, I'd be grateful for comments, concerns, recommendations, or any other information that might assist me in choosing the right machine.

Thanks.

A Mac Mini is your standard entry level computer... It's relatively cheap compared to others... You best bet might be to go to an Apple store and try out few of the different models...

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ has more info

Thanks.

Probably shoulda mentioned that I'm looking for a portable (notebook/laptop) version.

IMHO, for your needs, a basic MacBook would be more than enough.

Are you sure....... ?? None of your listed requirements exclude a PC laptop.

MCM.

Or you get a MacBook and Parellels, and then you have both a Mac and a PC!

I would agree, a MacBook will handle all of what you have listed with ease.

I assume there is a reason why it has to be a Mac? If so, one more vote for a MacBook.

It's a, hmmm, well, gift, I suppose, for a, uh, hmmm, friend.... her requirement.

I'm now on my 3rd Mac laptop in the past 12 years - currently using a 13" MacBook which also has full (via Bootcamp) Windows XP loaded by my IT people, which makes me fully connected to work (Hurray :rolleyes: )

As others have posted, the current Macbook is the way to go in new Apple laptops, and you can get excellent deals on refurbished (but still fully warrantied) Macbooks at the online Apple Store. If you absolutely must have a new laptop, and have a University affiliation (and I'm not sure how closely they verify these things) you can also click through the Educational area of the Apple Store and save $50 to $100 depending on the laptop. The other thing most people don't realize is that Applecare (the extended warranty) is also discounted for Educational customers. Use the money you save to upgrade the RAM.

If you don't mind truly used (ie not eligible for extended warranty) and you want small, look for a used 12" Powerbook which at 4.6 pounds was the lightest Apple laptop, and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future, or a 12" iBook which was a few ounces heavier but will be more affordable (if you can find one). Both of these with appropriate RAM upgrades will handle the work you've described.

Murm

Yes, you should've mentioned you wanted a laptop up front...makes a big difference in functions and cost.

Otherwise, the mini hasn't been upgraded with Duo2 chips, and really isn't any more cost effective than the basic entry level all-in-one 17" iMac at C$1099 once you start adding on the appropriate monitor, keyboard and mouse. If you need a DVD record drive, add another $200 to the base price for the couped up 17" version. It has just about everything this person could want, albeit you'd need Office2004 or some other suite of applications. (If a student, they can buy Office for about $170 and get a $30 mail-in rebate.) Another addition (at $150) is EyeTV which will feed TV signals into the Mac for viewing while working, or even recording.

The laptops are nice and serve their purpose, but money-wise the iMac is the way to go unless you want the portability versus desktop larger screen. Of course, they will handle video nicely, and we've even edited professional productions with Final Cut Pro on a PowerBook, so even the new base level Intels will do this.

Bought my iMac about a month ago and have no regrets, nor even buyer's remorse. CompuSmart will throw in an iPod with their iMacs and laptops, and also have printer combos at a good price. Or do it all online at the Apple Store...don't know if there's a physical store in Vancouver yet. Or head down to Seattle and buy it there for a few dollars less than the Canadian prices, with tax, etc.

Wait to buy until late January - after MacWorld Expo in San Francisco. If there are new models coming out, they usually show then. Typically, faster processors etc etc for the same or less money.

A MacBook sounds perfect for your needs. I would go with the higher processor speed (currently 2 gig dual core), ensure that it has the SuperDrive and at least 120 gig hd - black or white. Aside from Office, it will have everything you will probably need considering the iLife suite of applications.

Enjoy :-)

For a Web site, FlyerTalk has an unusual high number of Mac users, and of course fans. I think you'll have no problem finding plenty of advice including that above.

There are actually many threads existing about advice for potential Mac users in both Travel Technology and OMNI. It is highly likely either forum will get you additional advice on this and perhaps even more tips on how to save with your purchase and pitfalls. The member above is correct about MacWorld coming up in a few weeks and that does sometimes generate a lineup change.

I'm going to relocate this thread into Travel Technology where I'm sure many other FlyerTalk members will enjoy offering additional information for your decision.

I do have a tip since i have bought laptops for all my nieces and nephews for school and they use theirs in the very same way you describe your needs - if you carefully watch the "reconditioned" sales part of the Apple Web site i think you'll find some really great bargains. These are like new and come packaged as such but had been taken off the assembly line for additional repair or demo units that have been returned to brand new condition.

As a footnote: The House of Miles is entirely Mac and have been so since we started with a 512e in 1986. The early days of FlyerTalk and to this day, some or all of the servers used for serving flyerTalk have been Apple servers. Yes, we drink the kool aid.

Good luck, i think you've made the right decision to go with a Mac (raise my hand to admit bias).

P.S. and to save you from Mac head insults, i have made Mac an upper/lower case word. All caps insults some Mac heads!!!!!

One other thing, to do any serious video work on the laptops, even the top end models with larger screens, you really need to have a second larger screen monitor. So consider the additional cost if this is one of the primary purposes.

As for Canadian versus US pricing, it is minimal for the Macs themselves, and generally reflects the US$-C$ relationship. However, software is another matter, save for current sales on the Student version of OFFICE which is competitive. Otherwise, it is the GST and PST that makes for a greater hit on the pocket up here. If you can do a ground run to the US, you'll save enough in taxes to pick up a few accessories. (If you're after the full OFFICE, or even the upgrade version, AMAZON.COM -- the US site -- has the best prices, and are still eligible for the current Microsoft rebate.)

And yes, if you can wait two weeks, there may be a slight price drop as a result of new models, but I doubt anything major to the main lines already out, including the new MacBooks and the basic iMac. If anything, the major hardware change will come to the MacMini line, moving into the Duo2 Intel chip to conform with the rest of the line. Otherwise, it will be iTV that will be unveiled in San Francisco.

Not sure if MacBook is for you. If you don't need laptop (i.e. smaller screen), I would suggest the iMac, either 17 inch or larger....excellent value. If you don't need WinXp, the standard configuration is more than enough, although for photoshop, more ram is always better.

Upcoming MacWorld, unlikely any updates for MacBook or MacBook Pro but as others posted, if you're not in a rush, wait it out.

If you do plan to install WinXp, go to thread that is titled '$1000 laptop' and read my post on suggested reading, eBook on various alternatives (bootcamp, parallels, VMare), etc.

UPS just rang the doorbell to deliver new MacBook - but it's for one of my staff who is making the plunge to the light side and I promised to set things up for him. So plan on having some some fun next few days ( i have G4powerbook, G3iBook and G3iMac but all several yrs old and waiting for possible 12" macbook pro in spring????)- although do not plan to install WinXp just yet. Want him to learn Mac OS - for his needs, I don't see reason for him to ever go back to WinXP, etc.

Happy Holidays to all. :)

MacBook...2.0ghz...awesome!
just my 2 cents.

You might be well advised to wait, as others have mentioned, until MacWorld in Jan, just to see what happens. Also, order it with the stock 512mb of ram and then purchase 2 1gb modules (total of 2gb) from somewhere else (apple is overpriced). I've found that OS X just doesnt function well with less than 2gb these days...although I'm sure others may disagree.

if the 12" MBP was anything more than a rumor I'd be so happy. I have a feeling I am going to end up getting the 15" MBP. I highly recommend OS X and Mac systems to anyone that will listen.

I worked for Apple for 7 years and just changed jobs 3 weeks ago.

I'm going kinda basic here... apologies if any of this is goofy simple.
Mac is short for Macintosh. Get it? Macintosh is a type of Apple. The first Macintosh was released in 1984. All of Apple's computers since then (if we don't split hairs) have been called Macs. As Randy mentioned, they're not MACs, since this would imply that MAC is some sort of acronym, which is isn't. The operating system that runs on them is called Mac OS. For the past five years, The operating system has been called Mac OS X (roman numeral ten). There have been several versions of Mac OS X over the years. They all have cat codenames: puma, jaguar, tiger, panther and soon Leopard (version 5).


The Mac is great for document writing, and it's the best thing available for work with photos or video.

Before I dig in, I should explain some terms you might want to know...
Microsoft Office- This is virtually the same as the Windows counterpart, except instead of Outlook there is a semi-equivalent product called "Entourage" for mail. Also, there's no Visio or MS Project equivalents produced by Microsoft for the Mac. btw... I don't recommend using Entourage for mail. Use Apple's mail application. It's much more stable.
iWork- This is a software suite produced by Apple that includes a presentation app called Keynote that is similar to Powerpoint as well as a document writing app called Pages which is similar to Word. Both are a little thinner on capability and features in some areas (Pages in particular), but they produce prettier results. trivia... Keynote was developed for Apple CEO Steve Jobs. He was sick of using Powerpoint for his presentations, so his developers made Keynote for him. That's why it looks good. Eventually he decided to release it as a product. To get an idea what is possible with it, watch one of the MacWorld keynotes.
iLife- iLife is where the core value of a Mac lies, imo. It's comprised of iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb and GarageBand. iTunes manages your music library pretty much exactly like Apples Windows version does. In addition, you can use songs from your music library in iPhoto, iMovie or iDVD. iPhoto manages your photo library pulled from your digital camera or other sources. iPhoto also enables you to load pictures onto your iPod, order picture books, greeting cards, posters, etc, enhance your pictures and do some basic effects, create slide shows, etc. It also can work with iMovie and iDVD to integrate your pictures into your movies or DVD menus. iMovie enables you to capture and edit digital video. You can also incorporate pictures or music from either iTunes or Garageband. iDVD enables to you burn DVDs of your movies or photo slide shows. Garageband enables you to compose your own music using multiple tracks. You can either play your own instruments or work with hundreds of digital instruments and samples built into the application. iWeb is a fabulous application where you can create your own web sites to display all of the pictures, video and audio from the other iApps. All these applications are simple enough that you can start using them effectively without reading a manual. I don't know how they do that, but it's really true.
iChat- Apple's own AIM client. Enables the user to communicate over AIM through text, audio or video with an iSight.
iSight- Apple's webcam. There are standalone units as well as units built-in to all recent computer models. Works with iChat.
Mail- Apple's mail application
iCal- Apple's calendar application
AddressBook- where you can store your friends' contact information
iPod- where your content from iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iCal and AddressBook go. :)

Document Writing
There are two main options. The first is Word in Microsoft Office. This is probably your best bet for documents that need to be pure text or sent/shared with others. If you need documents that look good with lots of captivating graphics, flyers, pamphlets, etc, Pages, which is part of iWork, is really snazzy. It's wuite a bit different than Word and takes some getting used to, and it's not as powerful for lots of text, but for a combination of text and graphics, it produces some beautiful results. I have used both virtually equally. I use Word for my documents I produce for my job, and I use Pages for documents I produce for personal things, like letters and, in particular, stuff relating to my upcoming wedding.

Photos
iPhoto is hands down the best consumer-level product out there for storing photos on any platform. It does exactly what you need it to. It also has some basic photo manipulation tools, including enhance, airbrush, redeye remover, effects, crop, etc.

Movies
iMovie. Same thing here. Lots of effects, transitions, the ability to add two audio tracks, etc.

Other stuff to mention
Other tidbits useful to know...
Since Apple came out with the Mac OS X operating system there have been less than 30 viruses developed that attack Mac computers. Somewhere between 5% and 10% of computer users use Mac OS X. In contrast, Windows XP has thousands of viruses. About 85%-90% of computer users use Windows. Thousands of viruses have also been developed for Linux. In other words, Mac OS X is far less likely to get messed up from viruses than Windows.
All current models of Macintoshes can run either Mac OS X or Windows. They can even run both at the same time. You can have a Mac OS X application running in one window and a Windows application running in another window. Macs also can run Linux. So, in theory, you could have applications running on three different operating systems all running at the same time in different windows. A non-Mac computer can't do this. So in this sense, Apple is the most compatible computer out there right now.

Apple produces the following Mac computers:
Mac Mini- Apple's most basic model. The "entry" desktop model. All it is is the box itself. (and it's tiny) It doesn't come with a keyboard, mouse or display (most people have these already).
iMac- Apple's "consumer" desktop model. The computer components are built into the display, so there is no box... just a display, mouse and keyboard.
Mac Pro- Apple's fancy "pro" desktop model. It comes with a big box made of aluminum, a keyboard and a mouse. These are very high end with a price to match.
MacBook- Apple's "consumer" laptop. Comes in Black or white.
MacBook Pro- Apple's "pro" laptop.

What's the difference between "entry", "consumer" and "pro"? Entry is the most basic, Pro is the fanciest. Consumer is in between. This refers to features, capability, capacity, and price.

So I hope this is a good primer to get you started, so that you can make an educated buying decision. I would suggest making your next stop at the closest Apple retail store. Apple's retail stores have become known in the retail industry as having the most knowledgable sales staff and best display of electronics pretty much anywhere. There you'll be able to see all of the models mentioned above in action with other devices connected to them in various ways, with all kinds of software, music, movies and photos installed, etc. You'll have a good chance then to ask any additional questions to the staff there, and, believe it or not, they will not only be available and ready to help you but are likely to have a good answer for you. One word of caution... the stores get crazy busy on weekends. It's much more peaceful during the week.

Bonus... you can find an example web site I made for my mom using iWeb here. I did it in about 45 minutes. ^

MOAP!!!
(Mother of all posts)
great info Swise!

lol, thanks. :)

My thought is that we can all just copy and paste it in any new Mac threads as they come up. :D

Indeed!

And I agree with every single word he said.

/E - made the switch to Mac a few years ago and not looking back.

I was going to give my opinion, but after swise's advice : nothing to say :D

My first laptop was a 520, until the G4 that I am using, and next year going for a new one :cool:

I'm with Emma, I switched (back) a few years ago...though I work in healthcare I'm a big nerd...have my MCSE and all that fun stuff and I still a Mac fanatic...I'm slowly converting everyone I know...and its even more fun to hear them start to proselytize!

Santa brought me a new MacBook (making Mac number 6 here at home)... I was at my inlaws on Christmas night, so I pulled up iChat and called my parents who have an iMac (and a mini)...we did a full screen video chat that blew everyone away...still hearing about it. Then I showed everyone iPhoto, because they were asking about the Christmas cards Mrs. SpaceBass and I had sent out...then we gave someone an iPod so everyone got really interested in iTunes...its amazing to watch the mac fever spread...just wish I got commission!

My fiance asked my dad if he could marry me over the iSight.

His parents were visiting us, and so we started a video conference, presumably so that our parents could say hi to each other... Then my fiance surprised everyone (except me) with the question every dad dreads but looks forward to at the same time. :)

On a more practical note, we use the isights regularly to hang out with each other when he is on the road. I put the computer on the bedside table and fall asleep to him snoring in some hotel halfway across the country. Then we get to wake up to each other in the morning. :) It's like he never left... except there aren't any socks on the floor and there are fewer dishes to wash. :p

Unless I am completely barking up the wrong tree here I just realised that swise is a she!

My apologies for saying "he" in previous post.

/E

They could have gotten married up here in Canada... But isn't Austin DELL country?!

But as a long time Mac user, couldn't agree more with the assessments. However, the OP is a real tekkie and it would probably kill him to walk into an Apple Store!

Wait Until Macworld
 

Do not purchase your Mac until Macworld and Steve Jobs does his Keynote. Apple will make some announcements there. It starts January 9th so just be patient. There is nothing wrong with a PC but once you are a Mac you never go back. I use mine for writing as well and I have laptops and desktops.

:p He's male, and I'm female. But we are getting married out of the country, so you're about a third on target. ;)

Actually, Apple has 2000 employees in their campus in Austin. These days it's probably second to Cupertino in # of employees. Cupertino has about 4000-5000. Apple took over EDS' old campus here about 3 years ago. It was the largest commercial real state deal in town since the .bomb at 250K sq ft. They're breaking ground on a 4th building at that site soon, and in the meantime they're renting some off-campus space. Much of Tech Support and all of Apple Store Customer Service is located there, as well as a good chunk of Finance and some Operations (where I was). Inside Sales is here, too. Many employees come to Apple from Dell, but few go the other way around. :)

To add to the chorus, the 15" MBP is standard issue where I work, great investments.

iChat video is amazing, a growing number of meetings are using it to improve on the joy of phone.

There is a large collection of MAK people on the computer guys site. find it and how to join at wamu.org

they do a program on wamu. it is not strictally a mak site, but a large numnber of the people are really anal about maks.

you can do google group searches to find prior posts on the site.

^

Sometimes Macworld is the platform for really big announcements, and sometimes it's not.

Appleinsider.com and macrumors.com will have plenty of speculation leading up to that date. That speculation is worth exactly what you pay for it, but occasionally they'll have a scoop of sorts.

Thank you for an incredibly helpful post. I have been eyeing switching to a Mac for the last year and the information you shared was invaluable. Thank you for taking the time to help those unfamiliar with Macs.

Wow!

As a former Apple employee myself, I think you definitely nailed it!

-RKG

On Topic: MacBook Off topic: A message for swise
 

Part I:

I treated myself to a new laptop for Christmas 2006. I ordered direct from Apple at the website and got the MacBook Core Duo 2 upgraded to a 120GB HD and 2GB RAM. I love it. I am using bootcamp (free from Apple) and am running Win XP Pro with no problems. I took the plunge and selected the "glossy" over the traditional "matte" screen...and I am pleased as punch. Only disappointment is the battery life. I get about 3.5 hours on a full battery when I am using it normally and making no effort to save power. No big deal though, I just ordered a second battery.

Part II:

I have no idea why, but I always thought swise was a guy. My apologies. Wish I'd have known sooner! A woman who works for Apple would be my dream girl! <winks> I hope that your leaving them was on good terms and something that you wanted...

Your FT friend,
-eastwest

thinksecret.com is good too, and their speculation is usually a little closer to what actually appears.

Hmmm... given that there are fewer "Apple retail stores" in Canada than there are in some US neighbourhoods (and also that the closest one is over 2000 miles away) I might have to fall back on a ThinkPad, of which I'm much more familiar and comfortable. 'Course, the final decision will rest with my friend who will be using it.

Just a friendly piece of advice: in general, Mac people want Macs. If this is a gift for a Mac user, a Thinkpad will go over like a lead balloon. Go to apple.com, get her a Macbook, and call it a day. Trust me on this one. Order the stock 2Ghz for $1299, and your friend will be very happy.

They're opening a new Apple store in Calgary early in the new year. Chinook Mall is the location. I don't have the exact date but they've been advertising for jobs a while now.

macs are great. in your situation id go with $1300 macbook. dvd burner etc is easily worth $200 increase over base model imo. the only accessory you might also want to consider is the external camera (isight is being replaced, hopefully soon) because the built in camera isnt as good. (nor can you move the camera around, say when travelling and you want to show off your surroundings. i had a great time with that in Koeln. :))

:D ^^