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Igene Jan 17, 2024 7:37 pm


Originally Posted by crackjack (Post 35918252)
First, I agree with your general premise here, the integration made AirTag adoption much smoother.

However, you can have ‘Find My Phone’ working without using and supporting the larger locator mesh locator service. The later is a separate toggle to use the ’Find My network’, which can be toggled off. I am not certain as it’s been a few years, but I think it was still reasonably clear back when this first launched too (which is when I disabled the toggle).

Yup... though the description is a bit obtuse
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airsurfer Jan 21, 2024 12:53 pm

As long as there is no standardization in this tags mess, I am nog gonna participate.
Apple: proprietary tags, same for Samsung. And you do need to have an app as there is no web interface, so cannot access it from my computer (Macbook Pro).

Igene Jan 21, 2024 3:10 pm

On the Mac you can use the FindMy app.. no web needed

StuckInYYZ Jan 21, 2024 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by airsurfer (Post 35929350)
As long as there is no standardization in this tags mess, I am nog gonna participate.
Apple: proprietary tags, same for Samsung. And you do need to have an app as there is no web interface, so cannot access it from my computer (Macbook Pro).


Originally Posted by Igene (Post 35929737)
On the Mac you can use the FindMy app.. no web needed

Apparently the SmartThings app in the relevant app store (so Win and Mac both have it) does the same thing for the Samsung Tags But not sure it can detect the tags directly

EAJuggalo Jan 24, 2024 11:45 am

I took my Samsung SmartTag 2s on a trip last week. They worked incredibly well and much better than the Tiles that I used previously did. The geolocation of them was shown right in the app and seemed to update very quickly. When I took my phone out of airplane mode upon landing at MCO, I was able to follow my phone and my two suitcases across the taxiways and right up to the gate. When I got to baggage claim I was able to tell where in the back of the airport the bags were. I'm very happy with them and will continue to use them for the foreseeable future. My concern about the smaller installed base of phones that can update the bags location appears to be unfounded.

elCheapoDeluxe Jan 24, 2024 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by EAJuggalo (Post 35938585)
I took my Samsung SmartTag 2s on a trip last week. They worked incredibly well and much better than the Tiles that I used previously did. The geolocation of them was shown right in the app and seemed to update very quickly. When I took my phone out of airplane mode upon landing at MCO, I was able to follow my phone and my two suitcases across the taxiways and right up to the gate. When I got to baggage claim I was able to tell where in the back of the airport the bags were. I'm very happy with them and will continue to use them for the foreseeable future. My concern about the smaller installed base of phones that can update the bags location appears to be unfounded.

Thanks for the update! I've been holding off replacing my Tile's until Google's network is flipped on but I might give these a go.

Contrast Aug 5, 2024 7:18 am

Motorola Mobility are launching a Moto G which sounds like it could be a solution for Android users:

https://www.techradar.com/phones/pho...-android-users

Davvidd Aug 5, 2024 8:33 am


Originally Posted by Contrast (Post 36430270)
Motorola Mobility are launching a Moto G which sounds like it could be a solution for Android users:

https://www.techradar.com/phones/pho...-android-users

If it works on all androids as good as the AirTag then I am buying it and changing my iPhone.

Xyzzy Aug 5, 2024 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by Davvidd (Post 36430434)
If it works on all androids as good as the AirTag then I am buying it and changing my iPhone.

Unless it's opt-out the way airtags work, it'll never be nearly as functi:onal.

Davvidd Aug 5, 2024 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 36431612)
Unless it's opt-out the way airtags work, it'll never be nearly as functi:onal.

I do not undestand. Please do you mind explaining?

der_saeufer Aug 5, 2024 11:14 pm

As it stands now, Android's default behavior is not to share locations to the network for other people's tags except when lots of people's phones see the same tag in the same area. Not all Android phones participate in the network yet, though it's being rolled out through a Play Services update so the vast majority will participate soon enough.

Apple's default behavior is always to share location to the network and all iPhones sold in the last 8+ years support Airtags.

The real-world difference is that Airtags show much better location info since all it takes is one iPhone walking by it to feed the data into the network. An Airtag in your car will be picked up by a passing driver's phone in the middle of nowhere and show a location. A Find My Device tag won't, because the network is protecting that one passing driver's location data.

That said, for the Flyertalker use of tossing one in luggage they work about the same in the real world--it takes no time at all for 10+ ramp workers to walk by your bag and it'll show up so you know whether it made your flight or not.

In countries where ramp workers don't have iPhones, the Android tags work better--whenever I landed at DEL, the Airtag in my bag wouldn't show back up until the bag was on the belt. The Chipolo tag I use now shows up on the ramp.

I'm still disappointed that Find My Device tags aren't as useful as Airtags, especially since I live in a country that's > 95% Android, but as luggage trackers they're perfectly fine.

csetjozsi Oct 21, 2024 12:29 am

Summarizing what was said, do I understand correctly that Airtag is still better than Chipolo? And the weakness of all tracking solutions is that if you don't have a working mobile phone nearby, you can't know where the luggage is.

der_saeufer Oct 21, 2024 9:58 pm


Originally Posted by csetjozsi (Post 36611984)
Summarizing what was said, do I understand correctly that Airtag is still better than Chipolo? And the weakness of all tracking solutions is that if you don't have a working mobile phone nearby, you can't know where the luggage is.

tl;dr: if you're throwing a tag in your luggage just buy the one that works with your phone

All of these tags work basically the same way: phones walking by report to the system what tag they've seen and where. Apple or Google then serves that data back to the tag's owner. The tag itself has no GPS, etc. and depends on phones, so if you lose something in the wilderness you're probably out of luck.

Chipolo makes a tag for each mobile OS, so how well Chipolo tags work depends on which one you're using.

Now that Android's Find My Device network has been live for 6 months it's decent but the location privacy it provides phone owners means that the tag's location won't show up if only a couple phones have walked by it. The Play Services update seems to have been rolled out much more widely in the past few months: if I park my motorcycle on the street with an Android FMD tag in it, it's almost always been 'seen' by the network within the last few minutes now. It used to be much spottier.

In countries where iPhones have a large market share, Airtags (or other tags compatible with Apple's Find My) will be better at finding a keychain dropped in the park. But I stand by my earlier assessment that for the purpose of finding luggage either system is equally useful.

For the use case of finding lost stuff in your house, it's a toss-up. UWB support on Airtags lets you use an iPhone 12 or newer to estimate distance and direction to the tag as you move around looking for it. UWB support is virtually nonexistent on Android, but most of the tags have somewhat longer Bluetooth range and some (including Chipolo) are WAY louder compared to Airtags. Of course, if you're on iOS and need loud tags, virtually all of the tags sold for Android FMD also have a version compatible with Apple's Find My.

StuckInYYZ Oct 21, 2024 10:54 pm


Originally Posted by der_saeufer (Post 36614537)
For the use case of finding lost stuff in your house, it's a toss-up. UWB support on Airtags lets you use an iPhone 12 or newer to estimate distance and direction to the tag as you move around looking for it. UWB support is virtually nonexistent on Android, but most of the tags have somewhat longer Bluetooth range and some (including Chipolo) are WAY louder compared to Airtags. Of course, if you're on iOS and need loud tags, virtually all of the tags sold for Android FMD also have a version compatible with Apple's Find My.

Correction, Samsung SmartTag2 uses UWB and seems perfectly fine. At home, don't see it as much as I'm not out on the main road. But if I were to go to the mall or other similarly busy airea, I get updates often enough. I had my car out for service recently and it was pinging I'd say at least once every half hour if not more (and this was at 2am) And it was pretty far off the main road (Say about 150m "inland" from the main road).

Davvidd Oct 25, 2024 5:52 am


Originally Posted by StuckInYYZ (Post 36614587)
Correction, Samsung SmartTag2 uses UWB and seems perfectly fine. At home, don't see it as much as I'm not out on the main road. But if I were to go to the mall or other similarly busy airea, I get updates often enough. I had my car out for service recently and it was pinging I'd say at least once every half hour if not more (and this was at 2am) And it was pretty far off the main road (Say about 150m "inland" from the main road).

Does it mean that Samsung Smarttag2 only works with a Samsung phone or any android just as good? I have an iPhone and the main reason is the AirTag and if I find an android one as good then I will immediately get rid of my iPhone.


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