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CDTraveler Sep 25, 2017 6:38 pm

Best calendar for joint Apple/Android family?
 
About 2 updates ago the calendar on both my iPhone and Apple laptop began mysteriously deleting events. Long story short, it ain't just me, the Apple message boards have hundreds of posts about the problem. I've tried all the work arounds suggested on the Apple boards and they don't work.

Things I enter on Yahoo do stay on my son's calendar, but no longer show up in my account, even though they used to.

So now I am looking for a calendar app/program that can be shared with my Android/HP using offspring. Suggestions? Ones to avoid?

Ditto Sep 26, 2017 12:04 am

I'm using google calendars which are associated with gmail accounts, they sync nicely to my android phone, my mac, Ms. Ditto's ipad and ofcourse they are also available on the web.

joshwex90 Sep 26, 2017 12:16 am

Also a fan of Google calendar. App works nicely on both Android and iOS (both iPhone and iPad) and web. Can also access it through the Mac calendar app and Windows 10 calendar app

Need Sep 26, 2017 7:56 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 28858967)
Also a fan of Google calendar. App works nicely on both Android and iOS (both iPhone and iPad) and web. Can also access it through the Mac calendar app and Windows 10 calendar app

Works with Alexa too.

gobluetwo Sep 26, 2017 10:08 am

Also using google calendars between my iPhone family and myself, the lone Android user.

Need Sep 26, 2017 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by gobluetwo (Post 28860360)
Also using google calendars between my iPhone family and myself, the lone Android user.

Same here, lone Android user! I have 7 lines on my family plan, 6 of them on iPhones. Good thing is that nobody use iMessage or TXT anymore.... everybody uses Whatsapp.

CDTraveler Sep 26, 2017 6:27 pm


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28858949)
I'm using google calendars which are associated with gmail accounts, they sync nicely to my android phone, my mac, Ms. Ditto's ipad and ofcourse they are also available on the web.

Appreciate the suggestion, but we don't use any Google services. Their privacy policies and practices are appalling, and I can't find a reason to let them snoop through my life, let alone give them my calendar and contacts.

soitgoes Sep 26, 2017 6:55 pm


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28862542)
Appreciate the suggestion, but we don't use any Google services.

How do you use Android without Google services?

Amazon store instead?

joshwex90 Sep 27, 2017 12:30 am


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 28862622)
How do you use Android without Google services?

Amazon store instead?

OP said the offspring use Android, not him/her

CDTraveler Sep 27, 2017 1:25 am


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 28862622)
How do you use Android without Google services?

Amazon store instead?

A mix of Amazon and Yahoo on offspring's phone. He mainly uses it for texts, calls and calendar, sometimes email, not games, music or books. (yes, very atypical teen ;)).

Ditto Sep 27, 2017 1:28 am


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28862542)
Appreciate the suggestion, but we don't use any Google services. Their privacy policies and practices are appalling, and I can't find a reason to let them snoop through my life, let alone give them my calendar and contacts.

Do you really think Yahoo/Amazon/Apple privacy policy is any better?

joshwex90 Sep 27, 2017 1:35 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28863535)
Do you really think Yahoo/Amazon/Apple privacy policy is any better?

I say this as a Google person. Apple's privacy policy is indeed better than Google's. (By much? Perhaps not. But it is better.) I'm sure Yahoo!'s is great considering it was probably written in the 1980s before data mining was a reality! And I'm sure Amazon's is on par with Google.

CDTraveler Sep 27, 2017 1:38 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28863535)
Do you really think Yahoo/Amazon/Apple privacy policy is any better?

Based on fairly extensive research, yes, I do.

Have you ever read Google's policy? Or researched what public interest groups say about them?

One example: both of us have very old (in internet years) Yahoo accounts. Back then you had to provide minimal personal information to get an email account. I was helping someone set up an Android phone with gmail recently and it is not possible to do so without providing about 10x the info required for our Yahoo accounts.

Ditto Sep 27, 2017 2:01 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 28863541)
I say this as a Google person. Apple's privacy policy is indeed better than Google's. (By much? Perhaps not. But it is better.) I'm sure Yahoo!'s is great considering it was probably written in the 1980s before data mining was a reality! And I'm sure Amazon's is on par with Google.

I really doubt Yahoo haven't updated their privacy policy since the 1980s, what makes you say that Apple privacy policy is better than Google?


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28863548)
Based on fairly extensive research, yes, I do.

Have you ever read Google's policy? Or researched what public interest groups say about them?

One example: both of us have very old (in internet years) Yahoo accounts. Back then you had to provide minimal personal information to get an email account. I was helping someone set up an Android phone with gmail recently and it is not possible to do so without providing about 10x the info required for our Yahoo accounts.

I have not done an extensive research into the privacy policy, no, I think privacy is long gone considering I have a Facebook account, a Linkedin account etc. etc., further comparing what was required 10 (or more?) years ago to open an account to what is required today is a bit irrelevant.

You also can't quite compare an e-mail only account to a google account registered with your andriod phone which provides much more, though I had a quick look, if I try to create a gmail account or a yahoo e-mail account, yahoo requires me to provide a phone number, while gmail doesn't...

CDTraveler Sep 27, 2017 2:24 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28863581)
I have not done an extensive research into the privacy policy, no, I think privacy is long gone considering I have a Facebook account, a Linkedin account etc. etc.,

We don't. Somebody looking for me on social media wouldn't find anything posted by either of us.


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28863581)
further comparing what was required 10 (or more?) years ago to open an account to what is required today is a bit irrelevant.

No, it absolutely relevant to compare the info we had to give to create the accounts we have now with what we would be required to provide to switch. Why would I want to switch to a system that wants to track my every move on the net in order to have a working calendar?


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28863581)
You also can't quite compare an e-mail only account to a google account registered with your andriod phone which provides much more, though I had a quick look, if I try to create a gmail account or a yahoo e-mail account, yahoo requires me to provide a phone number, while gmail doesn't...

You're assuming that all the various Google services are of value. To me, they're a d@mn memory wasting nuisance, not an asset. Like I said, I recently helped set up an Android phone, and I had to decline or hunt down a way to turn off at least 20 different things. No, the user of the phone does not wish to have Google know their location and where their friends are at all times! Big brother at its worst.

Our Yahoo accounts are of sufficient age that there are no phone numbers attached to our Yahoo accounts, and mine doesn't even have my real name on it. Back when I got it, nobody used their real name on the net.

It may eventually be a losing battle, but I will fight to protect my privacy as long as I can. Right now I'm just looking for a working calendar app.

joshwex90 Sep 27, 2017 2:44 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28863581)
I really doubt Yahoo haven't updated their privacy policy since the 1980s

Was meant tongue-in-cheek.


What makes you say that Apple privacy policy is better than Google?
Some various links I found (I have read much on it in years past, but couldn't think of any specific article so Googled and found)
https://www.quora.com/Which-is-bette...e-or-Microsoft
https://decentralize.today/apple-vs-...r-a7022bd452b1

At the very core, Apple makes their money selling you a physical product. Google doesn't. Chrome is free, Gmail is free, Android is licensed free of charge to manufacturers and with limited exceptions, you don't buy your phone from Google. They make their money off your data.


You also can't quite compare an e-mail only account to a google account registered with your andriod phone which provides much more, though I had a quick look, if I try to create a gmail account or a yahoo e-mail account, yahoo requires me to provide a phone number, while gmail doesn't...
You can also put in fake info

Ditto Sep 27, 2017 3:09 am


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28863619)
We don't. Somebody looking for me on social media wouldn't find anything posted by either of us.

But is it about what searches on the net are showing people, or about what the big companies hold in their database?
My social media accounts are also 'limited' and I never post anything public, it doesn't mean Facebook don't have all my pictures and other info in their database, and they mine that data to show me relevant ads etc. etc.


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28863619)
No, it absolutely relevant to compare the info we had to give to create the accounts we have now with what we would be required to provide to switch. Why would I want to switch to a system that wants to track my every move on the net in order to have a working calendar?

But it doesn't, all you need is a gmail account, which only requires your name and birth date, none which have to actually be real, just like with your Yahoo account...


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28863619)
You're assuming that all the various Google services are of value. To me, they're a d@mn memory wasting nuisance, not an asset. Like I said, I recently helped set up an Android phone, and I had to decline or hunt down a way to turn off at least 20 different things. No, the user of the phone does not wish to have Google know their location and where their friends are at all times! Big brother at its worst.

I'm not, and I also turn off many features I don't need on my phone, I'm just saying it's not an apple to apple comparison, and many people couldn't care less about google tracking their movements if they get some benefits out of it, heck people are even happy to put Amazon Echo in their home even though it always listens to what they say and upload that to the cloud...


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28863619)

Our Yahoo accounts are of sufficient age that there are no phone numbers attached to our Yahoo accounts, and mine doesn't even have my real name on it. Back when I got it, nobody used their real name on the net.

Again, you don't have to supply a real name opening a gmail account.


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28863619)
It may eventually be a losing battle, but I will fight to protect my privacy as long as I can. Right now I'm just looking for a working calendar app.

Well, you're looking for a calendar app to share a calendar between multiple devices, so unless you will build your own app, and have your own server somewhere in the internet hosting the data, you will have to share your calendar data with someone...

SRQ Guy Sep 27, 2017 6:53 am

The simple answer is the best one: Google calendar. It's accessible to everyone and in my experience it works flawlessly.

drewguy Sep 27, 2017 1:25 pm


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 28864165)
The simple answer is the best one: Google calendar. It's accessible to everyone and in my experience it works flawlessly.

Absolutely. And if you don't like their privacy policies and you find apple calendar buggy, you'll have to look to other places, some of which you may need to pay for.

A quick (google) search turned up something called Cozi. http://www.cozi.com/calendar/ I have no experience with them, but might be worth researching.

I've been happy with google calendar. I haven't found it to be something Google monetizes so obviously as they do search.

Need Sep 27, 2017 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by drewguy (Post 28865890)
Absolutely. And if you don't like their privacy policies and you find apple calendar buggy, you'll have to look to other places, some of which you may need to pay for.

A quick (google) search turned up something called Cozi. http://www.cozi.com/calendar/ I have no experience with them, but might be worth researching.

I've been happy with google calendar. I haven't found it to be something Google monetizes so obviously as they do search.

I think OP will need to update the thread title to Best non-Google Calendar....

Because otherwise, there will be 20 other posts coming in saying "Google Calendar".

pseudoswede Sep 27, 2017 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by drewguy (Post 28865890)
A quick (google) search turned up something called Cozi. http://www.cozi.com/calendar/ I have no experience with them, but might be worth researching.

I have a friend that swears by Cozi. I found the interface clunky. To have any decent features, you have to pony up $20/yr (not sure if that is per phone or per family).

CDTraveler Sep 27, 2017 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 28863679)
But it doesn't, all you need is a gmail account, which only requires your name and birth date, none which have to actually be real, just like with your Yahoo account...

Again, you don't have to supply a real name opening a gmail account.

Referring back to setting up Gmail for a non-tech person recently - we did have to enter a real phone number which texted a code number which then had to be entered back into the registration process. Using its calendar feature would require putting in real, actual personal information, contacts, Dr. Names, etc. That's the point of a calendar: keeping track of personal information which I do not wish any Google product to have.

I don't like Google, my past experiences with Google have been negative, I don't want to deal with Google, so repeatedly going on and on about it isn't helpful.

CDTraveler Sep 27, 2017 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by Need (Post 28865975)
I think OP will need to update the thread title to Best non-Google Calendar....

Because otherwise, there will be 20 other posts coming in saying "Google Calendar".

One can only hope they would actually read part of the thread before posting.

Ditto Sep 27, 2017 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28866277)
Referring back to setting up Gmail for a non-tech person recently - we did have to enter a real phone number which texted a code number which then had to be entered back into the registration process.

Again, no, I just opened a gmail account with nothing but a fake name and a fake birthdate, there wasn't even a need to provide a fake phone number, this might be different if you do it from an android device I suppose, and/or you might have not noticed that not all fields are mandatory, if you opt to add a phone number it only makes sense google will try to verify it first.


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28866277)
Using its calendar feature would require putting in real, actual personal information, contacts, Dr. Names, etc. That's the point of a calendar: keeping track of personal information which I do not wish any Google product to have.

Fair enough, if you don't like it, don't use it, I don't quite see why you need to provide so much info for a simple calendar, but that might just be me, when I have an appointment with my GP I don't need to put in my calendar anything more than exactly that, my GP contact doesn't have to be stored in the same place.


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 28866277)
I don't like Google, my past experiences with Google have been negative, I don't want to deal with Google, so repeatedly going on and on about it isn't helpful.

While slightly OT, it is still part of the discussion, but I will stop now, and I will wish you good luck finding an alternative solution.


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