e-boarding pass scanner and Apple Pay problems.
 

Happened during my last trip departing LGB this past weekend.

With my iPhone 6 and a Delta passbook e-boarding pass, when I placed my phone on the TSA scanner, Apple Pay kept on turning on until I held the iPhone several (maybe 4-6) inches above the scanner.

Was confused the first few times thinking I accidentally swiped the passbook.

Are the TSA scanners NFC enabled? The Desko Penta scanners have NFC optional, maybe the TSA scanners have NFC.

Has anyone else had this issue?

I have not had this problem with my Google Nexus 5. I know it isn't Apple, but it has NFC and I keep the NFC on all the time.

I have had my phone beep at me when I've held it in my hand and just happened to put a hotel key card next to it.

Don't the "smart" or e-Passports have NFC chips in them? Would then makes sense that TSA scanners are NFC enabled.

Can Apple Pay be turned off when traveling?

I had no problems traveling to/from ORD last week on American

I may do that on my next domestic trip in a couple days, but wanted to try again and see if I had the same problem.

No issues with false NFC hits on my GS4, and it is prone to false hits if held back-to-back with my wallet (picking up NFC in a MARTA transit card). Haven't tested with the Moto X 2014 I just got this weekend.

No, it isn't different. Passports have RFID chips, which are not NFC

Actually it's not different. NFC is a form of RFID. The chips in the passport are ISO/IEC 14443 standard on which NFC and EVM (the NFC chip in your credit card) are built. The three technologies are interoperable. Thus, your NFC phone or credit card can be read by the TSA document scanner.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/I...mplementations

There are apps to read your passport's NFC chip with your phone for eg https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...rtreader&hl=en and I tried this (although not this app, but I did try something a year or two ago) and it worked so the technology is certainly the same. Whether the TSA scanner utilizes this is anyone's guess (although where is the screen for the operator??)

re: e-boarding pass scanner and Apple Pay problems
 

This happened to me just now at Long Beach airport. Trie dot use my boarding pass with Passbook and every time I put the phone by the TSA scanner it would switch to my credit card on Apple Pay in Passbook. Total nightmare. I had to leave the TSA line and go print a paper boarding pass outside security! Awful. Be warned.

wow this is disastrous!!!

Apple Pay & LGB
 

I had the same thing happen to me at LGB Saturday morning. The quickest solution I could come up with was to delete my credit cards from Passbook. Fortunately, I was able to do that before getting sent out to print a paper boarding pass. Strange that it seems to be an issue unique to LGB.

Can you bring up the barcode in the airline app instead of passbook? I thought I read that somewhere here.

Yes you can view boarding pass in most airline apps. You can also email yourself the boarding pass.

I used my airline app the last time I went through security (although I'm usually a paper boarding pass users).

I just came off an international trip so I was not able to test the problem described in this thread. However, early tomorrow morning I have domestic flights and so I want to use EBPs in Passbook on my iP6.

I noticed in this thread - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6659565 - that one person claimed it did not help to go to the airlines' app and pull up the EBP. Has anyone here had that experience?

I am resorting to what I used to do which was to take a screen shot of my EBPs until I have seen for myself what will happen tomorrow at OKC and ATL then the next day at MEM.

Has there been any reports of this happening anywhere else but LGB?

To elaborate a little bit, NFC is specifically used to refer to standardized hardware conforming to IEC 14443 and specs from the NFC Forum. These devices communicate through very close range tap transactions. In an NFC transaction, you can tell intentionality - e.g. the range is short enough that the user must have brought the device(s) together on purpose. Passports use this form of communication, and all standard mobile payments do as well.

There are also a lot of cards based on IEC 14443 that are technically not NFC: most transit cards are based on Mifare Classic or Mifare Ultralight, proprietary technologies developed by Phillips, now spun off as NXP. This difference is pretty irrelevant for the average consumer - pretty much everyone refers to Mifare cards as "NFC" these days, and I think those card standards may even have been adopted by the NFC Forum to make it official.

In practical use, NFC is not normally referred to as RFID anymore: that term is reserved instead to generically describe a wider range of technologies that don't require close proximity. A great example of RFID is the NEXUS card, which is detected by giant readers that can find the cards anywhere in the general region of your car window. Another good example is replacements for UPC bar codes in products - imagine waving a reader at a pallet of products in a warehouse and identifying all of them.

Quite complicated!

Back to the topic on hand, the TSA readers almost certainly have a 14443-compliant NFC reader of some sort embedded in them for e-Passports and possible future ID cards. They may not even be active, but all that's necessary for Apple Pay to "wake up" is for the reader to be wired up electrically to trigger a Card Present message to the phone.

I suspect Apple will end up fixing this eventually by suppressing Apple Pay when a Passbook boarding pass is visible on screen...

Wait - can't you just turn off NFC on the iPhone? On every Android device I've ever owned with NFC, I can turn the whole thing off.

There certainly isn't a "switch" in 'Settings' for that specifically.

NFC on the iPhone 6 is locked to Apple Pay only, which requires a fingerprint scan to activate. Perhaps the NFC chip is in some sort of permanent standby mode.

I am just home from two days of domestic travel and had no problems with my DL EBP on my iP6 with Apple Pay. I had no problems with TSA PreCheck, DL gate and lounge check-ins.