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cordelli Oct 23, 2012 8:19 am

A pretty good (and mostly positive) review of the device here

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411249,00.asp

from PC Magazine

The Microsoft Surface with Windows RT ($699 direct) is Microsoft's first entry into the wild world of tablets. Priced to compete with the Apple iPad , the Surface tablet with 64GB of storage comes with a 10.6-inch, five-point multi-touch screen. As is, it's aimed at users that want to do more than simply consuming media and websites, with innovative keyboard covers that make some of the more expensive Windows 8 tablets' docking solutions look absolutely clunky by comparison. Plus, it has an ace in the hole that makes it feel like a "real computer": The Surface comes with a full copy of Microsoft Office 2013 (Home and Student Edition). The Surface has the same user interface as upcoming Windows 8 laptops and tablets, thanks to Microsoft's Windows RT operating system. However, since the tablet uses Windows RT and a more economical ARM processor, the Surface isn't compatible with the majority of existing software made for Windows 7 and XP. This is the conundrum we find ourselves in while we look at Microsoft's first true computing device.

LIH Prem Oct 23, 2012 8:43 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 19549407)

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Plus, it has an ace in the hole that makes it feel like a "real computer": The Surface comes with a full copy of Microsoft Office 2013 (Home and Student Edition). The Surface has the same user interface as upcoming Windows 8 laptops and tablets, thanks to Microsoft's Windows RT operating system. However, since the tablet uses Windows RT and a more economical ARM processor, the Surface isn't compatible with the majority of existing software made for Windows 7 and XP. This is the conundrum we find ourselves in while we look at Microsoft's first true computing device.

I guess if you need a tablet that runs the actual Microsoft Office (except for outlook, assuming alternatives don't work), Surface might be a good choice.

Did you order one?

-David

cordelli Oct 23, 2012 11:00 am

There's no way I would deal with the limitations of RT, so if I do a windows tablet it will be the real version.

LIH Prem Oct 23, 2012 11:12 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 19550429)
There's no way I would deal with the limitations of RT, so if I do a windows tablet it will be the real version.

My friend (the one that orders everything) ordered one. I'll see if I can get him to bring it in this week, since I'm in the "office" this week.

update: lol .. never mind, he was being sarcastic when I asked him if he ordered one.

-David

ScottC Oct 23, 2012 1:52 pm

I finally got to play with a real one, and I'm still happy I pre-ordered. Very, very fast. Decent amount of apps pre-installed. Still very confused how to navigate around. Switching from "Metro" to desktop confuses the hell out of me.

I'm also worried about the number of third party apps that will eventually be available. Things like Spotify and Chrome most likely won't be available at launch, and that will hurt. Also a limited number of social apps. I do sense that a large number or RT customers will be pretty pissed off when they realize that this is not full windows. Now Microsoft has Windows Phone 7 and 8 apps, Windows 8 PRO and RT apps. Messy.

Gorgeous hardware though - puts my Transformer Prime to shame.

LIH Prem Oct 23, 2012 3:04 pm

so what's the deal with the mail app vs outlook? did you try the mail app yet?

-David

wco81 Oct 24, 2012 7:34 am

Anandtech has a review. Pointed a lot of positive aspects but noted heavy CPU utilization typing fast in Word.

Then they ran benchmarks against a tablet featuring the latest Atom (Clovertrail?), which beat the Tegra 3 handily. If Intel can be price and power competitive, then RT may have an even harder time justifying its existence.

cordelli Oct 24, 2012 10:23 am

A roundup of some of the reviews gathered by Reuters

(Reuters) - Tech bloggers and other reviewers praised Microsoft Corp's new Surface RT tablet for beautiful design but said a shortage of applications and a slow operating system meant the result was heartbreak for users.

Microsoft begins selling the Surface on Friday, joining the fight in a tablet market dominated by Apple Inc's iPads and devices using Google Inc's Android system.

Reviewers given the product early to play with it said its first version paled in comparison with the iPad.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89N10E20121024

with links to many full reviews with headlines like

Microsoft Surface RT Review: This Is Technological Heartbreak

Don’t Call The New Microsoft Surface RT A Tablet, This Is A PC

Microsoft Surface RT: Impressive piece of engineering

LIH Prem Oct 24, 2012 1:27 pm

here's another one, Ed Bott's hand's on.

http://www.zdnet.com/hands-on-with-m...ot-7000006258/

Internaut Oct 24, 2012 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 19551620)
I finally got to play with a real one, and I'm still happy I pre-ordered. Very, very fast. Decent amount of apps pre-installed. Still very confused how to navigate around. Switching from "Metro" to desktop confuses the hell out of me.

Time to start Googling power user tips. It's awfully tempting.


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 19551620)
I'm also worried about the number of third party apps that will eventually be available. Things like Spotify and Chrome most likely won't be available at launch, and that will hurt. Also a limited number of social apps. I do sense that a large number or RT customers will be pretty pissed off when they realize that this is not full windows. Now Microsoft has Windows Phone 7 and 8 apps, Windows 8 PRO and RT apps. Messy.

That's the worry. What if the likes of Spotify, Netflix, Dropbox and Evernote never get developed for it. These apps are my cloud.

That said, the idea of being able to edit Word, Excel and Powerpoint documents in a package that's similar in form to an iPad is terribly, terribly tempting.

LIH Prem Oct 24, 2012 3:39 pm

Ars Technica Review: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/...face-reviewed/

Microsoft's first stab at a tablet: Surface reviewed
Does Redmond have what it takes to be a tablet manufacturer?

corporate666 Oct 25, 2012 11:38 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 19556783)
A roundup of some of the reviews gathered by Reuters

(Reuters) - Tech bloggers and other reviewers praised Microsoft Corp's new Surface RT tablet for beautiful design but said a shortage of applications and a slow operating system meant the result was heartbreak for users.

Microsoft begins selling the Surface on Friday, joining the fight in a tablet market dominated by Apple Inc's iPads and devices using Google Inc's Android system.

Reviewers given the product early to play with it said its first version paled in comparison with the iPad.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89N10E20121024

with links to many full reviews with headlines like

Microsoft Surface RT Review: This Is Technological Heartbreak

Don’t Call The New Microsoft Surface RT A Tablet, This Is A PC

Microsoft Surface RT: Impressive piece of engineering

I pre-ordered a Surface, which should be here tomorrow. I have also made a point to read every review I could find.

You are painting a very negative picture of this tablet that does not jive with reality. Actually, virtually all of your posts to this thread have been very negative towards the device.

On the other hand, Microsoft apparently ordered 5 million Surfaces for release day, and sold out within a day on their website. So much for "nobody is going to buy it".

It is not designed to be a direct competitor to the iPad. I have an iPad2 and an iPad3. They are good devices, but have limitations. The biggest one is that the lack of sufficient interface hampers their use as real business devices. I was in NYC last week and it was frustrating when I had to go online and change a flight, edit a spreadsheet, transfer some files to/from my office, etc. Poking around with a finger and no right-click and a very simplified interface is great for web browsing and watching movies, but not good at all for "real work".

The surface is designed to address that niche through a more robust OS and a keyboard. It is not the same price as the iPad because the 32GB WiFi iPad without keyboard sells for $599. The same Surface sells for $499.

The vast majority of those who actually know what they are talking about (i.e. who have used the device) seem to really like it - with the complaints being the touch keypad being finicky, and Windows RT having some quirks. And the big one is the lack of apps. There is no way to address that other than time. I dealt with it with my iPhone, my Android phone, my iPad and it will be no different with the Surface. I wager that ever day, dozens of new apps will come along.

We'll see how it performs when it shows up tomorrow. But it's clear to me that Microsoft has *already* exceeded both their and pretty much every detractors expectations by selling out within a matter of a day or so... and that was after dramatically increasing the # of devices they initially built.

kingalien Oct 26, 2012 1:15 am

Grumble...my order is not expected to be delivered until Monday :(.

cordelli Oct 26, 2012 6:40 am


Originally Posted by corporate666 (Post 19567507)

You are painting a very negative picture of this tablet that does not jive with reality. Actually, virtually all of your posts to this thread have been very negative towards the device.

So just for fun, lets review

Post #10 I said


The pricing also includes Word, Powerpoint, and Excel, which nobody else does
Not really sure how that is negative or does not jive with reality

Post #12 - A review from PC Magazine saying it was too expensive. While that's negative, it's a review from an independent publication. Were the prices they qouted wrong? I think not.


Post #21 was about the different versions of Microsoft Office


None of the Microsoft Office Home and Student Versions come with Outlook (or Access)
Taht's just a fact, it's not negative, and it is reality

Post #24 was cut and pasted from the Microsoft FAQ's about it concering the availability of Outlook. If you believe that's negative or not jiving with reality, you should take it up with them.

Post #28 was another direct quote from the Microsoft website on the device saying


You can only install printers, mice, keyboards, and other devices that are certified for Windows RT.
While that is most certainly a huge negative, it's not my preception, it's the reality as presented by Microsoft.

Post #37 says it has a $110 keyboard available as an accessory. Some people think it's OK for them to charge $110 for a $10 keyboard, others may see that as a negative. No matter which way you see it however, it is the reality, their keyboard costs $110.

Post #42 says I feel they are stupid for only making WiFi versions of it. Again not sure how that doesn't jive with reality unless I just missed where they said they were going to have a 3G / 4G version of it like almost every other tablet out there offers (certainly it's major competitors)

Post #48 is a discussion about the concept of adding a radio to it would increase the cost too much. Everything in that post is reality, and it's certainly not negative to say if they wanted to add a radio they would just increase the price (like everybody else does) to cover those costs.

Post #53 says it has an HD Video Out Port. That's actually a huge positive for it, and it is based in reality.

Post #55 says they are already sold out for pre-orders. That's just a fact, it's neither positive or negative (it's actually positive for them), and it is the reality.

Post #57 is a link to a CNET story about the different choices people have with Windows 7, RT and Windows 8. The reality is the operating system is totally different then what people are use to, and it is confusing.

Post #61, a link to a mostly positive review from PC Magazine.

Post #63 answers a question if I would buy one. I said no, I don't want to deal with the limitations of RT. That's not a negative, it's a fact. It's also reality, I see no use for buying a crippled system with excessive limitations when the full one is just a few months away if it was buying one

Post #68, the one you choose to quote, was a link to a round up of reviews by Reuters. In it I quoted headlines like


Don’t Call The New Microsoft Surface RT A Tablet, This Is A PC
and


Microsoft Surface RT: Impressive piece of engineering
Not really sure how you consider that a very negative picture of the tablet or not jiving with reality. Reviews are reviews, if you have an issue with the reviewer please contact them directly.

So please, explain to me were you believe I've painted a very negative picture of the tablet, and Show me where it does not jive with reality in most of my posts in this thread?

ScottC Oct 27, 2012 5:30 pm

Holy crap this thing rocks.

Highly recommend finding a Microsoft store and playing with one if you have a chance. If they can get enough new apps on it, they have a winner on their hands here.

That said - Surface, red keyboard cover and a spare charger - $701 with tax. That is too steep.


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