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ScottC Jan 23, 2013 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by rybob1 (Post 20109237)
Yup, they are so bent on lying to you about the storage on RT that they even setup a page to explain it all to customers - http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/storage.

Additionally in the basic specs, you can see a #3 pointing to a note at the bottom that tells you that - "System software uses significant storage space; your storage capacity will be less. See surface.com/storage. 1 GB = 1 billion bytes. "

Yes, absolutely they are being dishonest and sneaky here.

Let's also not forget about how Apple does the same - "2.1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.", except I don't see a page that explains exactly how much is available, like Microsoft does.

With all due respect, that page didn't pop up until AFTER the controversy.

And the iPad doesn't use most of its storage space to hold the OS -yes, the whole bit/byte thing wastes a little, but a 16GB iPad still has about 15GB whereas the 32GB Surface only offers 16GB (yes - only half is available).

Microsoft wastes half the storage space for the OS, apps and recovery - with no way to relaim the space.

I am a technie, and fully understand that I will lose some space, but I won't accept losing half of it just for the damn OS.

Internaut Jan 23, 2013 4:40 pm

Quite simply, it seems Microsoft seem to struggle with the concept of computing device as appliance. I had high hopes for Surface but it seems Microsoft are unable to do anything without shooting themselves in the foot. They are actually trying to turn a profit on these devices when what's needed is as many surface tablets in the hands of users as is possible.

wco81 Jan 23, 2013 7:16 pm

Yeah I remember reading somewhere that they estimated even higher margins than iPads.

Obviously they didn't anticipate the Nexus 7. Not only 7-inch form factor being very popular but being sold at cost or minimal profit.

planemechanic Jan 25, 2013 8:24 am


Originally Posted by rybob1 (Post 20109237)
Yup, they are so bent on lying to you about the storage on RT that they even setup a page to explain it all to customers - http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/storage.

Additionally in the basic specs, you can see a #3 pointing to a note at the bottom that tells you that - "System software uses significant storage space; your storage capacity will be less. See surface.com/storage. 1 GB = 1 billion bytes. "

Yes, absolutely they are being dishonest and sneaky here.

Let's also not forget about how Apple does the same - "2.1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.", except I don't see a page that explains exactly how much is available, like Microsoft does.

Despite your snarky reply Microsoft is actually lying to you about how much memory you will have. They did this specifically to be able to claim their 32gb unit was cheaper than an Apple 32GB unit, when in fact they are actually comparing their 16gb unit to an Apple 32gb unit.

Jimmie76 Jan 25, 2013 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 20109601)
With all due respect, that page didn't pop up until AFTER the controversy.

And the iPad doesn't use most of its storage space to hold the OS -yes, the whole bit/byte thing wastes a little, but a 16GB iPad still has about 15GB whereas the 32GB Surface only offers 16GB (yes - only half is available).

Microsoft wastes half the storage space for the OS, apps and recovery - with no way to relaim the space.

I am a technie, and fully understand that I will lose some space, but I won't accept losing half of it just for the damn OS.

That's really shocking. :td:

planemechanic Jan 29, 2013 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 20123058)
That's really shocking. :td:

You think is shocking? Look at THIS!!!

http://9to5mac.com/2013/01/29/on-day...ith-83gb-free/

The 64GB version of Surface Pro has 23GB of free storage out of the box?!

Yep, confirmed by Microsoft, the "64"gb Surface Pro has less than 1/2 the advertised memory available for your use!!!! OMG!!!!


Microsoft confirmed today that 45GB of space would be dedicated to Windows 8 and preloaded apps. This leaves customers of the 128GB Surface Pro with 83GB of free storage

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/29/s...pro-hdd-space/


That 64GB, $900 Microsoft Surface Pro you plan on buying next week? Maybe you should temper your storage expectations a bit, as the base model actually only allots 23GB of that space for use.

ScottC Jan 29, 2013 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 20149136)
You think is shocking? Look at THIS!!!

http://9to5mac.com/2013/01/29/on-day...ith-83gb-free/

The 64GB version of Surface Pro has 23GB of free storage out of the box?!

Yep, confirmed by Microsoft, the "64"gb Surface Pro has less than 1/2 the advertised memory available for your use!!!! OMG!!!!




http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/29/s...pro-hdd-space/

That one is a little easier to deal with - there is a recovery portion that can be removed once you create a recovery drive, and you can uninstall the trial of Office 2013. I expect to have about 45GB free once I clean it up, which is quite normal for machines like that. RT didn't have this luxury.


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