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sbm12 Mar 9, 2011 6:18 pm

Actually WiFi CAN interfere with the avionics
 
Chalk this one up under the YIKES! column. It is not the basic end-user wifi signal that is causing problems but there are confirmed reports that the equipment may cause problems with some display units in the cockpit:


Boeing has confirmed that "blanking" of Honeywell Phase 3 Display Units (DUs) has been reported during airline EMI (electro magnetic interference) certification testing of wireless broadband systems (Wi-Fi) on various Boeing737NG airplanes.

Boeing, meanwhile, says: "Current testing by Boeing and Honeywell has determined that blanking may occur when a DU is subjected to testing procedures specified by the FAA requirements (AC-20-164) during installations of Wi-Fi systems on the airplane. Based on testing that has been conducted, Boeing and Honeywell have concluded that actual EMI levels experienced during normal operation of typical passenger Wi-Fi systems would not cause any blanking of the Phase 3 DU. This issue does not exist with the Phase 1 or 2 DU's."

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ru...rms-wi-fi.html

ScottC Mar 9, 2011 6:57 pm

That sounds more like bad shielding on this specific product. If it can be disrupted in the air just by Wi-Fi signals, it probably wouldn't pass basic ground testing for electronics either.

I'd say back to the drawing board for them...

planemechanic Mar 9, 2011 9:27 pm

Ummm..... doesn't this quote from your link seem to disprove your thread title?



Boeing and Honeywell have concluded that actual EMI levels experienced during normal operation of typical passenger Wi-Fi systems would not cause any blanking of the Phase 3 DU.

TheBagman Mar 13, 2011 6:03 pm

I used to write software for avionics (with a lot of ex-Honeywell people actually). "Blanking" is a nice sounding word for "crash and reboot".

CPRich Mar 14, 2011 6:16 am

Wait, all the "experts" on FT told us this was impossible, and that the FAA didn't know what they were talking about (even in conversations about phones, which is an FCC restriction) and how they leave their electronics on all the time without worry because aircraft electronics are so well shielded they could never be affected.

planemechanic Mar 14, 2011 7:42 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 16031028)
Wait, all the "experts" on FT told us this was impossible, and that the FAA didn't know what they were talking about (even in conversations about phones, which is an FCC restriction) and how they leave their electronics on all the time without worry because aircraft electronics are so well shielded they could never be affected.


LOL

And if YOU actually read the report you will see that all the "experts" on FT are still correct.

Middle_Seat Mar 16, 2011 8:40 pm

Related to this are the recent reports that LTE (as used in some "4g" smartphones) can interfere with GPS signals.

PhlyingRPh Mar 16, 2011 8:41 pm


Originally Posted by TheBagman (Post 16028698)
I used to write software for avionics (with a lot of ex-Honeywell people actually). "Blanking" is a nice sounding word for "crash and reboot".

LOL - I thought as much.

mia Sep 24, 2013 10:18 am

WSJ: FAA Moves Toward Mandatory Replacement of Certain Honeywell Displays


The Federal Aviation Administration moved toward mandatory replacement of certain older Honeywell International Inc. pilot displays installed on more than 150 Boeing Co. 737s and 777s flown by U.S. carriers, raising new concerns about susceptibility to interference from Wi-Fi signals.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...063260030.html

DenverBrian Sep 24, 2013 11:11 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 16031028)
Wait, all the "experts" on FT told us this was impossible, and that the FAA didn't know what they were talking about (even in conversations about phones, which is an FCC restriction) and how they leave their electronics on all the time without worry because aircraft electronics are so well shielded they could never be affected.

Will you defer to the actual experts if they determine it's not so big an issue?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...tions/2854521/


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