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Non-NonRev Jun 14, 2010 9:25 am


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 14129543)
Yes.

(That's as useful a response. :D)

And as accurate :)

RichMSN Jun 14, 2010 9:32 am


Originally Posted by Non-NonRev (Post 14129586)
And as accurate :)

Indeed.

J.Edward Jun 14, 2010 9:50 am

Worth it?

Not sure, think you have to answer that question.

However for me it was for the following reasons:
1. Wanted a laptop replacement from my current 17" to use when doing weekend MRs. The iPad's worked well in this regard and I've been pleased with how it's handled what I want to do (ticket management, posting on FT - with the aid of my BT keyboard - , media.)

2. Wanted a way to replace my $65 VZ data card with unlimited internet. Got the 3G, signed up for the $30/month data plan, jail broke and set up tethering and have been very pleased with the performance. Obviously when I'm traveling I'm not planning on taking both my laptop and iPad *but* there's a good chance I might be moving for work and if I can use my iPad data connection for my home internet, then I'll save paying a local telco x$/month for DSL/cable.
If you're on the edge I'd suggest picking up an iPad from BestBuy (milo.com will search local inventory for you) and try it out for two weeks. If you like it, keep it. If not take it back to BestBuy and return it (BB charges no restocking fee, at least per the 3 store I talked to in the greater IAH area.)

Hope that helped.

anrkitec Jun 14, 2010 10:21 am


Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 14126667)
The iPad is great at what it does and clearly millions of people agree.

A lot of people are buying it? Well – game, set, match then. :D


Originally Posted by anrkitec (Post 13317298)
The other night a few friends and I were having a conversation over dinner, which eventually turned to the subject of technology, and of course the introduction of Apple's latest 'must-have' object came up.

I won't rehash my opinion on the subject but during that conversation this came to mind:

"In 1975, Gary Dahl working as an advertising executive at the time, launched the sale of the pet rock which quickly transformed him into a multi-millionaire."

I found this part in particular to be apropos to the iPad:

"Part of Dahl's marketing strategy was to state that pet rocks give us more pleasure than we know. He convinced the consumer that these pet rocks support this argument through their very existence, and clearly display that it is not an actual item that brings joy to the child in the human mind, but merely the idea of the item. The pet sits in a niche in the mind, created by the power of the owners imaginations. It is in the actual exercise of the mind that such pleasure is found."

:D

The Pet Rock

What I find the most interesting about the iPad is the degree to which their owners will tailor their work/leisure habits in order to conform to what the iPad does – or more specifically what it doesn’t do, rather than the other way around – in order to convince themselves that they really need an iPad.

My own views of the iPad aside you will never hear me suggest that Steve Jobs isn't a genius, even if only in the way that say, P.T. Barnum was also a genius.

GadgetFreak Jun 14, 2010 10:43 am

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Originally Posted by anrkitec

Originally Posted by planemechanic (Post 14126667)
The iPad is great at what it does and clearly millions of people agree.

A lot of people are buying it? Well – game, set, match then. :D


Originally Posted by anrkitec (Post 13317298)
The other night a few friends and I were having a conversation over dinner, which eventually turned to the subject of technology, and of course the introduction of Apple's latest 'must-have' object came up.

I won't rehash my opinion on the subject but during that conversation this came to mind:

"In 1975, Gary Dahl working as an advertising executive at the time, launched the sale of the pet rock which quickly transformed him into a multi-millionaire."

I found this part in particular to be apropos to the iPad:

"Part of Dahl's marketing strategy was to state that pet rocks give us more pleasure than we know. He convinced the consumer that these pet rocks support this argument through their very existence, and clearly display that it is not an actual item that brings joy to the child in the human mind, but merely the idea of the item. The pet sits in a niche in the mind, created by the power of the owners imaginations. It is in the actual exercise of the mind that such pleasure is found."

:D

The Pet Rock

What I find the most interesting about the iPad is the degree to which their owners will tailor their work/leisure habits in order to conform to what the iPad does – or more specifically what it doesn’t do, rather than the other way around – in order to convince themselves that they really need an iPad.

My own views of the iPad aside you will never hear me suggest that Steve Jobs isn't a genius, even if only in the way that say, P.T. Barnum was also a genius.

Well, this is simply untrue. For me it is much better for browsing or watching movies than a notebook. It is enormously useful as a reader. Im not tailoring my reading to that unless you want to call reading more because it is easier tailoring to the device. So I'm a sucker because I no longer have to carry a bunch of Pdfs with me in order to read when I travel? Whatever.

anrkitec Jun 14, 2010 10:57 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130115)
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Well, this is simply untrue. For me it is much better for browsing or watching movies than a notebook. It is enormously useful as a reader. Im not tailoring my reading to that unless you want to call reading more because it is easier tailoring to the device. So I'm a sucker because I no longer have to carry a bunch of Pdfs with me in order to read when I travel? Whatever.

I have no doubt that some will find the iPad to be a thoroughly useful and complimentary device, I never suggested that the iPad didn't have a couple of legitimate uses, not at all. But is this true for "millions" of people, I doubt it.

But if for example the iPad is for someone really just a sexed-up Kindle, or PSP, or P-DVD player then IMO there really isn't anything all that revolutionary about it, save for the price.

Having used a friend's iPad a bit recently I will say that the first of the big deal killers is having to hold the damn thing. Unless one is seated at a desk it is beyond annoying trying to hold the thing up in order to use it, a problem my friend discovered early on in his ownership and has tried to ameliorate [not solve] with a $70 leather iPad case with a kick stand that works only slightly better than manipulating the device by itself.

All told he has invested darn close to $1000 on his iPad WiFi, cases, dongles, etc. which just strikes me as odd when there are any number of laptops/netbooks out there of similar size, weight, battery life, and screen size/resolution that can do significantly more than can the iPad and that also come with an articulating screen that can be used comfortably in far more situations.

Just my observations, YMMV.

J.Edward Jun 14, 2010 11:02 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130115)
So I'm a sucker because I no longer have to carry a bunch of Pdfs with me in order to read when I travel? Whatever.

I've got a good friend who's in RD here in IAH with HP, and as an Apple guy, we have a lot of heated arguments thoughtful exchanges of ideas.

Mainly the premise of his arguments revolve around functionality in that Apple deprives users of this and how there's so much more your generic smartphone can do over the iPhone (or netbook over the iPad.)

And he's right, there probably are a lot more things those devices can do. But that's the funny thing, those devices seem to do everything except what I want them to do. Can I partition my iPad to run multiple O/S's, have command line interface, or install any random piece of software I want?

Nope.

However, what he constantly does not get is that I don't *want*, much less need, to be able to do that. What can I say? Somehow I've just never gotten the itch, much less the need, to switch from Windows 7 to Linux while sitting in 1B at 36,000'.

What I do want to do is email, internet, tethering and browsing with the occasional game. That's what I do on my laptop and thats what I do on my iPad --- and on a side note I always find it amusing how my gadgets always seem to work better than his, at least for those simple functions, but oh well. Different strokes for different folks.

GadgetFreak Jun 14, 2010 11:08 am

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Originally Posted by anrkitec

Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130115)
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Well, this is simply untrue. For me it is much better for browsing or watching movies than a notebook. It is enormously useful as a reader. Im not tailoring my reading to that unless you want to call reading more because it is easier tailoring to the device. So I'm a sucker because I no longer have to carry a bunch of Pdfs with me in order to read when I travel? Whatever.

I have no doubt that some will find the iPad to be a thoroughly useful and complimentary device, I never suggested that the iPad didn't have a couple of legitimate uses, not at all. But is this true for "millions" of people, I doubt it.

But if for example the iPad is for someone really just a sexed-up Kindle, or PSP, or P-DVD player then IMO there really isn't anything all that revolutionary about it, save for the price.

Having used a friend's iPad a bit recently I will say that the first of the big deal killers is having to hold the damn thing. Unless one is seated at a desk it is beyond annoying trying to hold the thing up in order to use it, a problem my friend discovered early on in his ownership and has tried to ameliorate [not solve] with a $70 leather iPad case with a kick stand that works only slightly better than manipulating the device by itself.

All told he has invested darn close to $1000 on his iPad WiFi, cases, dongles, etc. which just strikes me as odd when there are any number of laptops/netbooks out there of similar size, weight, battery life, and screen size/resolution that can do significantly more than can the iPad and that also come with an articulating screen that can be used comfortably in far more situations.

Just my observations, YMMV.

Someone here or in a review somewhere made a very salient observation about this. The observation was that most devices are designed primarily to create content. The iPad is primarily designed to use content. The vast majority of people primarily use content. And that is what the iPad excels at, with enough creation ability to make it very useful and replace most of what I use a computer for in content creation while traveling as well.

GadgetFreak Jun 14, 2010 11:12 am

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By the way, the $39 Apple articulating case is a must have accessory in my opinion. It totally changes the feel of the thing.

anrkitec Jun 14, 2010 11:22 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130293)
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Someone here or in a review somewhere made a very salient observation about this. The observation was that most devices are designed primarily to create content. The iPad is primarily designed to use content. The vast majority of people primarily use content. And that is what the iPad excels at, with enough creation ability to make it very useful and replace most of what I use a computer for in content creation while traveling as well.

Sure, I can understand that, and for anyone who neither has nor wants a real computer [laptop/netbook] then perhaps the iPad is a great choice.

But if one already has a competent, relatively compact and modern laptop/netbook then there just isn’t anything the iPad can do that those devices can’t save for the fact that the iPad looks cooler.


As I wrote [quipped?] in another thread:


Originally Posted by anrkitec (Post 13325329)
The only real "problem" so far mentioned here that the iPad uniquely "solves" is to bring Apple coolness to a not-quite-a-netbook device.

This device was designed and conceived by Apple to have one purpose and that purpose is to encourage owners to spend more money on downloads from the iTunes store.

Hey, fair enough, but overly labored contortions being made in order to justify wanting or buying one are, well...

Just buy the damn thing and say, "screw it, I don't care how useless it is, it so freaking cool and owning one makes me happy [for a while]". :D

If this is what the iPad was indeed designed and marketed for then cheers all around, let’s just all be up front about about… :D

GadgetFreak Jun 14, 2010 11:26 am

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Originally Posted by anrkitec

Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130293)
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Someone here or in a review somewhere made a very salient observation about this. The observation was that most devices are designed primarily to create content. The iPad is primarily designed to use content. The vast majority of people primarily use content. And that is what the iPad excels at, with enough creation ability to make it very useful and replace most of what I use a computer for in content creation while traveling as well.

Sure, I can understand that, and for anyone who neither has nor wants a real computer [laptop/netbook] then perhaps the iPad is a great choice.

But if one already has a competent, relatively compact and modern laptop/netbook then there just isn’t anything the iPad can do that those devices can’t save for the fact that the iPad looks cooler.


As I wrote [quipped?] in another thread:


Originally Posted by anrkitec (Post 13325329)
The only real "problem" so far mentioned here that the iPad uniquely "solves" is to bring Apple coolness to a not-quite-a-netbook device.

This device was designed and conceived by Apple to have one purpose and that purpose is to encourage owners to spend more money on downloads from the iTunes store.

Hey, fair enough, but overly labored contortions being made in order to justify wanting or buying one are, well...

Just buy the damn thing and say, "screw it, I don't care how useless it is, it so freaking cool and owning one makes me happy [for a while]". :D

If this is what the iPad was indeed designed and marketed for then cheers all around, let’s just all be up front about about… :D

No, that is simply your opinion. I think the iPad is better for web surfing and reading and watching videos than a computer. Is is vastly easier to use than a net book for these things and a little better than a full size notebook or desktop.

anrkitec Jun 14, 2010 11:33 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130420)
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No, that is simply your opinion. I think the iPad is better for web surfing and reading and watching videos than a computer. Is is vastly easier to use than a net book for these things and a little better than a full size notebook or desktop.

One thing I should mention here is that perhaps my views on the iPad have been "enhanced" recently by several, what I will term, cultural observations, which are by way of watching several attempts by new iPad owners to awkwardly break their new baby out into what are otherwise inappropriate social situations in order to demonstrate just how integrated their iPads are in their daily lives, betrayed in every situation by the ungainliness of the device itself, their inability to try and make device do what it is they are trying to do, and the fact that the flow of the conversation invariably grinds to a halt with pleas of, "wait, wait – here you go, no, wait. Oh, here. See, wait, here it is…" as if their iPad was some new bodily appendage that their brain has not quite taken control of yet. :D

GadgetFreak Jun 14, 2010 11:39 am


Originally Posted by anrkitec (Post 14130473)
One thing I should mention here is that perhaps my views on the iPad have been "enhanced" recently by several, what I will term, cultural observations, which are by way of watching several attempts by new iPad owners to awkwardly break their new baby out into what are otherwise inappropriate social situations in order to demonstrate just how integrated their iPads are in their daily lives, betrayed in every situation by the ungainliness of the device itself, their inability to try and make device do what it is they are trying to do, and the fact that the flow of the conversation invariably grinds to a halt with pleas of, "wait, wait – here you go, no, wait. Oh, here. See, wait, here it is…" as if their iPad was some new bodily appendage that their brain has not quite taken control of yet. :D

Seems like more of a problem with your friends. Trying to read a lot of documents from a laptop, now that is ungainly.

anrkitec Jun 14, 2010 11:41 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130420)
No, that is simply your opinion. I think the iPad is better for web surfing

What if your location/hotel/office doesn't have Wifi and there is no 3G signal? I can hook my 2.8 lbs laptop up to a RJ-11 or RJ-45 socket or tether it to my cell to use as a modem. All things that I have actually had a need to do.


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 14130420)
and reading and watching videos than a computer. Is is vastly easier to use than a net book for these things and a little better than a full size notebook or desktop.

Really, what if you don't have the time or inclination to encode your movies and transfer them to the iPad before a trip? Me, I just throw a couple of DVDs/Blu-Rays into my laptop bag and I am good to go. ;)

Look, my point - all in good humor - is that I have to have a real computer with me anyway so there just isn't anything the iPad does better save for a very few times when a touch screen would add bit of convenience.

crp5 Jun 14, 2010 11:53 am


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Someone here or in a review somewhere made a very salient observation about this. The observation was that most devices are designed primarily to create content. The iPad is primarily designed to use content. The vast majority of people primarily use content. And that is what the iPad excels at, with enough creation ability to make it very useful and replace most of what I use a computer for in content creation while traveling as well.

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Very well stated and an interesting perspective. In my professional and personal life I tend to be a "consumer" of content rather than a creator with exception of emails and presentations. This may be why the device fits my needs so well.

As for the worth / not worth it debate.... I respect the opinions of those that don't like the iPad and ask that you respect my opinion as well. This shouldn't become a "my dad can beat up your dad" discussion. We all have different needs in life and find ways to handle these needs in different ways. To each his/ her own!

Now can we all get back on subject that Delta SM program sucks! :D:D:D


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