Implied Consent
 

Spiff

You mention folks are harassed for "no probable cause." Remember, when you willingly enter a checkpoint, or present your baggage/carry on for inspection you have given implied consent for search. That goes for you and your belongings. This is case law from the U.S. Supreme Court.

Is that what they taught you in your training?

In the interest of moving the line along, and making sure I am fully compliant with all that "implied consent" may entail, I will make sure to strip to the buff to make sure I am in full compliance the next time I am granted the privilege to take advantage of air transportation.

Courtesy, please. The question is valid, and on point.

Hey, thanks for the newsflash, pal.

Does that mean I am going to dance a little jig when I am harassed because of my "implied consent"?

Maybe I should just hand the screener a tube of KY Jelly and grin and bear my "implied consent", eh?

Maybe I should strip off my clothes and bask in the security of my "implied consent"?

"Implied consent" is a chicken@#$% way of holding people hostage for a service or something deemed to be a "privilege". I really don't give a d@mn that I have subjected myself by "implied consent" for having the audacity for wanting to fly. Anyone who searches me without any probable cause will get the contempt they deserve and I could care less how constitutional the current Supreme Court finds these disgraceful actions.



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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

Valid answers since there are seemingly no limits on what is and is not included with 'complied consent' if you want to board an aircraft.

Tazi, your response makes no sense.

1. The phrase is implied consent.

2. It has a specific legal definition, and carries with it the weight of legal status. All of the complaining in the world will not change that.

3. For patriots, you folks sure like to cherry pick the laws that apply to you.



[This message has been edited by Brian (edited 01-15-2003).]

Spiff, you are no patriot.

Dear TSA person(s) that are on this board:

You may have been "authorized" by your federal government to conduct these invasive fascist searches that you deem necessary for "national security", but know this:

Your kind is disliked by many of people that make your job "necessary", that is, the frequent flyer. Most of us would prefer you remain invisible at checkpoints and leave us and our luggage alone. We're just trying to fly, not be treated like criminals.

I personally don't care about what you did last night or last weekend, and don't want to hear about your personal chit chat as I go through a screening area. Just try to focus on the job you were hired to do.

American citizens weren't responsible for 9/11, and further, if any S.O.B. ever tried to pull that on our watch or our plane, rest assured we'd take care of business pronto. I doubt anyone is really assured that your job is going to stop some foreign cretin from getting a ramp agent's or caterer's job and placing a destructive item on board an aircraft; Bin Laden's band of scum are smart enough not to try the old box cutter trick in first class trick again.

You are NOT doing this country or its' citizens any great service no matter what propaganda your superiors feed you. Some of you are deserving of severe beatings for the improper way you have assaulted and invaded the privacy of millions of Americans under the auspices of "security reasons". Shame on those of you that have abused your power.

There are millions of American patriots, vets, and ordinary citizens that have no ill intent or want for anything else than to get through your "security", get on our flights and get where we're going without having your hands thrash everything in our carryon bags. We just want to get from A to B without having you insist we take our belts off and hold the buckle to one side while you improperly run your hands over places you have absolutely no business touching...at all.

I suggest you and the rest of your federal bretheren and sisters start combing through the ranks of undesirables that are crossing our borders and infiltrating this country every day due to our liberal rules and inability to "offend", profile and target those most likely to harm your countrymen. Don't give me any moronic speech about Timothy McVey; it's irrelevant to the situation we now face due to third world extremists.

Just be thankful you now have a job nursing off of the breast of Uncle Sam, for you won't have it long. Until then, please focus on looking for contraband and dangerous items or people and leave the rest of us to go about our merry way without your becoming the reason for so many of us having lousy travel experiences since 9/11/01. And try to stay awake.

I would not be so sure about the TSA being around for a short time. Once the Gov't gets its hand on something it does not want to let go. Since when is the gov't the sole property of the TSA? If you are an american, it is your gov't too. Funny you mention vets, the majority of TSA employees are vets, they were sought out by the TSA for their experience and discipline. You also mention profiling, now you know that is a big no-no in this politically correct world. Everyone has to be treated equally. ACLU socialism at its best. I personally do not have a problem with the TSA, they seem to be getting their act together and in time things will only get better. Those of you out there that decry the TSA should be ashamed at some of the language you use toward them, they are just average americans doing their jobs. Does that mean some don't do it as well as others? No, but on a whole I think they are doing a great job and I for one welcome it as do the vast silent majority.

TravelBuzz?

[This message has been edited by tazi (edited 01-16-2003).]

This is quite a shock. Maybe you'd like to re-phrase that, or do you really mean this? I hope not, because it would really be saying something.

I thought everyone was being pretty reasonable, but seems like this forum is turning into a football game where anti-TSAer's want to take their footballs home come hell or high water. My way or the highway. If you say something I don't like, I'm going to turn you in.

Stasi, indeed.

Sadly, that seems to be the thinking here. It looks like most if not all of the TSA guys gave up. I can hardly blame them with all the hostility going on.

I know for a fact that TSA is doing a much better job than the people pre 9/11 did. I cannot count how many times I set of the walk through metal detector pre 9/11 and not one of the people even gave me a second look, just handed me my things and let me go. I could have gotten anything through back then, and so could anyone else. Thank goodness it is not like that any more.

For those that belittle these people, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Those who wave the constitution one minute and then decry it the next, you are even more dispicable. Americans indeed!

Do you agree with every Supreme Court ruling? Every single one? Do you *like* every Supreme Court ruling? Every single one?

Just because something has been "upheld" does not make it any easier to swallow. And there have been many rulings by one Court that were overturned by another.

One can build "implied consent" into just about anything. Want a mortgage? You must give implied consent to have your house searched periodically. Want a library card? You must give implied consent that your reading habits may be scrutinized to make sure you're not reading too many books that could help you get into mischief.

Extrapolate the searches built into this implied consent nonsense at airports and you have an agency like the TSA with the same powers as US Customs. What a cheery thought.

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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry

[This message has been edited by Spiff (edited 01-16-2003).]

I don't, Spiff, but I acknowledge the authority of the court, and I work inside the system to change what I can. I live with what I cannot change because the majority believes me to be wrong.

And I manage to do it all without using a lot of propogandistic names.