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-   Technical Support and Feedback (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/technical-support-feedback-386/)
-   -   Periodic FT issues (crash, Cloudflare, database errors) - DDoS attack, cf wiki (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/technical-support-feedback/1921901-periodic-ft-issues-crash-cloudflare-database-errors-ddos-attack-cf-wiki.html)

gfunkdave Jul 26, 2018 4:31 pm
Originally Posted by Deltus (Post 30016904)
Does DDOS threaten any passwords or personal data? I thought it just takes websites down (although I'm definitely no expert).

In any case, if you *are* an expert, you'll surely have different passwords on every single website account you access, so nothing to worry about...
THat's correct. Who knows why someone would want to knock the site offline.

Even non-experts can use a password manager to generate and store unique passwords for every site. I use LastPass.

tmiw Jul 26, 2018 4:48 pm
The CloudFlare thing doesn't bug me as much as every image and CSS being broken when the page finally does load. Weirdly, however, the breakage only happens on my phone and not on my PC.

zitsky Jul 26, 2018 5:49 pm
Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 30016913)
THat's correct. Who knows why someone would want to knock the site offline.

Even non-experts can use a password manager to generate and store unique passwords for every site. I use LastPass.
You're certainly right about passwords. Password manager is helpful. I would still like to know if this is only a DDOS attack or something more.

PV_Premier Jul 26, 2018 6:18 pm
at least we are viewed by someone as important enough to get attacked LOL

DL/AA/UA/WN/AS/AF/BA/etc, take notice! :D

zitsky Jul 26, 2018 6:27 pm
Originally Posted by PV_Premier (Post 30017157)
at least we are viewed by someone as important enough to get attacked LOL

DL/AA/UA/WN/AS/AF/BA/etc, take notice! :D
I'm not really worried. I changed my password to my$password. No one will guess that!

kale73 Jul 26, 2018 6:51 pm
Originally Posted by IBobi (Post 30015915)
Just FYI, we pay Cloudflare a lot of $ to keep the site up during these attacks. They're our protector.
Originally Posted by COSPILOT (Post 30016471)
Maybe a horribly stupid question from me, but what would be beneficial of a hacker doing something with FT?
Perhaps I'm a cynic, but the DDoS attack certainly appears to be beneficial to Cloudflare. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that the "hacker" is a stakeholder. :eek:

Meanwhile, I am now unable to connect to Flyertalk at all on my older iPad Mini.

gobluetwo Jul 26, 2018 7:13 pm
Originally Posted by kale73 (Post 30017236)
Perhaps I'm a cynic, but the DDoS attack certainly appears to be beneficial to Cloudfare. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that the "hacker" is a stakeholder. :eek:

Meanwhile, I am now unable to connect to Flyertalk at all on my older iPad Mini.
It's like the whole snopes thing...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f1c0a677c5.png

But the DDoS note explains the Cloudflare message before getting onto FT this morning. Thanks for the update, mods.

TomMM Jul 26, 2018 7:47 pm
Originally Posted by kale73 (Post 30017236)
Perhaps I'm a cynic, but the DDoS attack certainly appears to be beneficial to Cloudfare. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that the "hacker" is a stakeholder. :eek:
That's also the conspiracy theory behind anti-virus vendors.

DDos attacks have been used to extort money from sites. After the attack is started the attackers then send the admins an email offering to stop for a certain number of bitcoins.

fransknorge Jul 27, 2018 4:05 am
The Wikipedia page of Cloudfare makes for interesting reading. Seems this company is very far from being clean and ethical.

kipper Jul 27, 2018 4:47 am
I'm still receiving the CloudFlare message today.

T8191 Jul 27, 2018 5:09 am
Originally Posted by kipper (Post 30018210)
I'm still receiving the CloudFlare message today.
If the DDoS attacks are continuing, CloudFlare will keep activating. I guess we just have to accept this is what can happen on the www.

TWCLAM Jul 27, 2018 6:39 am
How long does a DDoS attack go on for? Over 24hrs now that I've been getting the cloudflare pop up every time I do anything. Wish i'd thought to come look for this before losing substantial reply posts to it. Hope the IT bods can get it sorted sooner rather than later.

GUWonder Jul 27, 2018 7:53 am
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 30015927)
Twice today I got a page I've never seen before:

"Checking your browser before accessing flyertalk.com"

"This process may take...."

I've never seen this before and I was using my usual iPadPro with Safari. It happened once on a wifi network that's been giving me trouble today (but which I have used in the past) and now again using my iPhone as a personal hotspot.

What does it mean and what is FT doing to "check" my browser?
A lot of people are getting this today, more so if using shared networks of some sort.

zitsky Jul 27, 2018 8:57 am
Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 30018676)

A lot of people are getting this today, more so if using shared networks of some sort.
I see it on PC and mobile. Google chrome.

NWIFlyer Jul 27, 2018 9:01 am
Originally Posted by TWCLAM (Post 30018445)
How long does a DDoS attack go on for? Over 24hrs now that I've been getting the cloudflare pop up every time I do anything. Wish i'd thought to come look for this before losing substantial reply posts to it. Hope the IT bods can get it sorted sooner rather than later.
As IBobi has said up thread, there really is nothing the IT bods can do other than sit the attack out. At some point it'll stop, and the message won't appear. As might have been gathered from other posts, no-one is immune from having to be filtered through the protection 'gate' - including all the moderators.

The alternative to having to wait a few seconds to get in is that the site is taken down completely for an unspecified and unknown period of time - that's a much bigger disaster. On balance, I would say this is the right and practical approach.


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