Perhaps oddly I'm in both camps. There are parts of the new design that appeal to me, but as I noted above I found them tiring to actually use. Not sure if I'd have ended up with headache if I'd persisted, but wouldn't have been surprised.

I know that because of that I've avoided vising FT from my laptop today, and just used my phone which seems to be unaffected by the changes.

I thought about that, but some people are saying they still aren't having them show up. :(

My apologies. Must've gotten lost when people were debating alphabetizing. I will see if I can actually fix it myself, and if not will ask tech to fix that.

Thanks.

BTW, Likes are apparently working again for me. :D

The Desktop Skin is not optimized for mobile devices and was not designed to be. That might be something we update, but it is on the back burner for now. Mobile Skin should work fine, however.

Aren't there numerous reports of hijacking ads taking place in the mobile skin?

OK, but the hijack ads plague aside, what's the solution?

I hit the green "view mobile version" button on the bottom of the page [flyertalk.com on my phone in iOS] and it still takes me right back to the desktop skin.

Be sure your mobile browser is accepting and keeping cookies. It's cookie-based.

until the redo I hadn't any of those 'open app' things on my iphone for months and months but since they have re-appeared..

Coincidence? possibly but more like you've done something to let these things infect your site.

Are you trying to drive people away because you're making a good job of it if you are.

Still don't love it but appreciate that the white has been toned down somewhat. I've managed to stay on the desktop site longer than yesterday. That being said there is still some work to be done on getting the color balance right so that things are crisp and clear but aren't blinding.

The other big issue for me is the lack of definition between the "sticky" threads and the "normal" threads. The gray is not dark enough and the lines between each row don't have enough definition

As a vb license holder I remember the whole thing up to the beta releases of vb5. The original thrust was that the vb platform needed more social media integration since many of us were using plugins and hacks to make that happen, but because of the codebase of vb3, it was going to need a rewrite, which was vb4. Unfortunately vb4 did a lot of what the FT new style did--upset users wholesale. So vb3 and vb4 were kept in development until vb5 was released, which was supposed to be the bomb.

Meanwhile, between vb4 and vb5, many of the original, long-time vb developers and staff left. Eventually, they started a new company and were going to release a new forum software to compete with their old product. The forum community was split on which was better--vb5 or xenforo, and that's when I stopped looking at it since critical features I need were not even on the map in either product.

Fast forward many years later and as a forum user myself, I've found that a lot of the forums I really like in terms of speed and navigation are xenforo-based and many that were on vb have switched. I myself will be revisiting moving my own forum to the xenforo platform if it can have all the same functionality as my current platform.

And I'm sure to a certain extent this is where FT is on the whole thing. I've actually met the VP of IB before and they look at forums in a really serious way, but also in a business way. Many forums were hobbies that grew into something--it takes a lot more than that hobby start to make them into a viable business. And IB has that challenge in front of them while trying to keep their user base happy as well. It's a hard balance to strike as I've learned even through my own forum, but if it can't survive as a business, it won't survive. I can't tell you how many forums I posted on in the last 15 years that simply don't exist today. (Makes me sad too because I posted a lot of good information in some of those forums that I didn't have anywhere else :()

I wish, for IB's/FT's sake, that the ad issue could be resolved. Ads are a revenue source. I still use an ad blocker on my notebook and my Surface and can use FT without issue. But on my Windows 10 tablet, that I prefer to use, I have not installed the ad blocker; thus getting the 'running long script' message.

Is the current FT Destkop NG skin the only one that can be used? It's rubbish, too much white and too much wasted space.