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Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 13621572)
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I subscribe to only ONE thread on all of FT (Good Deal Premium Fares) and that's so I can get the e-mail with the postings. Otherwise, I just browse the forums that I want, focusing on the bolded threads, which are ones that have been modified since my last visit (even if it wasn't precise). Now it seems I have to guess when I'm getting to threads that have not changed since my last visit.
I think I do not like this change either.
Originally Posted by CHIC SILBER
(Post 13623645)
Just for the record I don't like the changes either
But then again the older I get the less I like change Now I have to try to guess when I was last on FT, and then scan the threads until I find those last updated on my guess as to the date I last visited. I wasted half an hour going through my user profile, thinking that somehow a preference had been switched without me knowing it. Then I read the FAQ, and found this, which states "There is a built-in time limit to this, however, that will automatically mark all threads as 'read' after a set number of day, whether you really have read them or not. The default setting is 10 days, but the administrator could make this higher or lower." Unfortunately, it did not mention that this was a recent change. Then I tried the search feature, and came up mostly empty handed. Of course, I was not thinking that this was an active change by the forum administrator. Often bulletin boards will have a notice when a change to functionality occurs - if there was one on FT, I missed it (and thus it was not obvious enough for the likes of me!).I do have the satisfaction of knowing that it is not something wrong with my profile,^ that others also dislike the change,^ and that there is little likelihood of going back to the previous system.:td: |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 13621572)
I think I do not like this change either.
This definitely feels like an enhancement, however the cost of that enhancement is a few extra clicks after reading each forum. I guess I'll just adjust. |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 13628472)
OK, I think I may want to retract this statement, at least somewhat. So now what I'm doing is -- after browsing a forum, I go to the main page of that forum and select "Forum Tools" | "Mark This Forum Read". Then I go on to the next forum. It seems like now with the new system, I can browse how I used to browse, but that it will be more precise in terms of the bold threads being new (since I marked the forum read). This method lets me "ignore" a particular forum for a few visits (e.g., a forum that isn't particularly active, like the Asia one), and then when I do decide to return to that forum, the bold threads will be the threads that are new since the last time I visited that forum, even though I may have been active in other forums in the meantime.
This definitely feels like an enhancement, however the cost of that enhancement is a few extra clicks after reading each forum. I guess I'll just adjust. |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 13628472)
So now what I'm doing is -- after browsing a forum, I go to the main page of that forum and select "Forum Tools" | "Mark This Forum Read". Then I go on to the next forum. ...
This definitely feels like an enhancement, however the cost of that enhancement is a few extra clicks after reading each forum. And I should be expected to do this every time I check FlyerTalk? :confused: In no way can this be an enhancement.
Originally Posted by linsj
(Post 13628619)
Too much work, from my perspective.
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Originally Posted by Roger
(Post 13630116)
I've just done that. It meant a minimum of 64 extra clicks (for 32 forums). Actually, it was more because it was necessary to refresh certain fast-moving forums.
This reproduces the old way, and yes, you would have been missing some messages in fast moving forums the old way. The new way, you'll never miss a message. I still like it. Audrey |
Originally Posted by falconea
(Post 13633736)
You only need to do it once. On the main forum page.
... The new way, you'll never miss a message. I want to read messages posted across various forums since the last time I visited. The all-in-one suggestion you make does not allow this. |
Count me as someone who absolutely LOVES this change--specifically because of the reasons in the posts I've quoted below (bolding mostly mine). I ranted about why I hated the old way in this thread, and I'm BLOWN AWAY at how much more awesome my FlyerTalking experience is now. (I suppose you guys who hate this change can blame me for suggesting it! :p) I NO LONGER have to dedicate two hours to surfing FT to prevent my session from expiring and losing my read/unread thread data. I can read it in bits and chunks--if I have a 15-minute break between projects at work, I can log in, read a couple threads, and then go on my merry way, confident I will be able to pick up EXACTLY where I left off later that night, the next day, or even the following week.
The old way actually INHIBITED my FlyerTalking experience--I'd sometimes go for a week or two (once even for a full month!) without logging in (and being EXCEEDINGLY careful not to accidentally click FlyerTalk in a Google search result or in my bookmarks) just because I knew I would not have the two (or more!) hours it would take to get through all of my subscribed and unread threads. So, count me as someone fully opposed to rolling back the change, and I express my unending thankfulness and gratitude to IB for their consideration of their userbase! :) And for those who complain about not being able to find their just-posted threads, well, there's this magical button right below your subscribed threads on MyFlyerTalk called "View Subscribed Threads." Here's a direct link: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/subsc...n&folderid=all
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 13577084)
All one needs to do is to choose List Subscriptions under the Subscribed Threads area on the left at the MyFlyerTalk area to see all of the read and unread threads subscribed under MyFlyerTalk, listed in the same chronological order as in the old way of viewing MyFlyerTalk. No massive amount of searching should be necessary.
I actually happen to like the change, as I no longer need to read every unread thread under MyFlyerTalk. The unread threads remain unread until I am ready to read them. This means I can log in more often under shorter periods of time because I no longer have to be concerned about missing anything I have not yet read before losing it upon logging out and having to backtrack the next time I log in...
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 13578516)
And I disagree with all the haters up thread. I LOVE the change. I LOVE that when I use a different computer the threads I've already read are marked as such. I LOVE that when I only read half the threads in any particular forum the others are still noted as unread so I can come back to them later. I LOVE that after I read a subscribed htread from the My FT page it disappears rather than hanging out for a couple more hours.
Yes, the behavior is different than it was. But it is a much better approximation of reality in terms of read/unread IMO.
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 13583413)
Let’s go one step further for another benefit which I tested.
I purposely read one page of a multiple-page subscribed thread but not the last page. The thread picks up on the page where I left off the next time I log onto FlyerTalk and is still marked as unread. In other words, unless you click on the last page of a multiple-page subscribed thread, that thread will still appear in bold type under MyFlyerTalk. I am sold. I hope this change remains intact.
Originally Posted by Mary2e
(Post 13587373)
I like the change. I haven't logged in for over a week and didn't do so because I didn't want to spend lots of time catching up with all my subscribed threads in MyFlyertalk.
This is great for those of us who only want to check in for a couple of items.
Originally Posted by falconea
(Post 13619756)
Once I'd worked out how to use this change I've decided I love it. Now I can keep a close eye on one thread without resetting my "last read" for everything.
I think there needs to be a bit more user education about the change - I initially came to this thread to work out what had gone wrong! Please keep it the way it is! Audrey
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 13620357)
It used to frustrate me when I was distracted from FlyerTalk for some reason while logged in, only to find out that my FlyerTalk session expired. I then had to log back in when I had the chance — which could be as much as a day or two later, especially if I am traveling — and remember which threads I did not completely read even though they were already marked as read, as well as where to pick up where I left off. That does not happen to me anymore.
Originally Posted by falconea
(Post 13626877)
To give a hard example: I've just cleaned a nasty malware from my home PC. I've been watching the thread in Omni about this trojan very closely, both before and after I got rid of it. I was able to check the thread 20 times a day and read every new posting shortly after it was made.
Previously, if I did that I would have messed up my last-read markers for ALL of FT. Previously, I had to devote one or two unbroken hours to read all of the parts of Flyertalk that I read in one sitting each day - I couldn't break it up and read bits in smaller time chunks. Now I can. I also used to sometimes suffer from Flyertalk resetting my "last visited" if I was away from the computer for 10 minutes. To get the old behaviour back is simple: after you're read what you're going to, go to the main Forums page, go to the bottom and click "Mark Forums Read" on the dark blue bar underneath the forums. Sets everything to read, just like the old way did. Takes about 10 seconds. Flyertalk: please keep this change! Audrey |
Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 13635251)
I can read it in bits and chunks--if I have a 15-minute break between projects at work, I can log in, read a couple threads, and then go on my merry way, confident I will be able to pick up EXACTLY where I left off later that night, the next day, or even the following week.
I express my unending thankfulness and gratitude to IB for their consideration of their userbase! :) And for those who complain about not being able to find their just-posted threads, well, there's this magical button right below your subscribed threads on MyFlyerTalk called "View Subscribed Threads." Here's a direct link: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/subsc...n&folderid=all Are you suggesting that the NEW way of using FT is to subscribe to all the threads we may be interested in? Simple question. I've only been around for almost 10 years and have managed until now without this (except for that one mysterious exception 9 years ago). If this really is the way we are expected to go, it would have been useful to have been informed of the new process. I wouldn't have recognised the problem - sorry, the 'enhancement' - if I had not bumped into this thread. Why introduce such a change without telling people? :confused: |
Originally Posted by Roger
(Post 13636628)
Are you suggesting that the NEW way of using FT is to subscribe to all the threads we may be interested in? Simple question. I've only been around for almost 10 years and have managed until now without this (except for that one mysterious exception 9 years ago).
I still think the 2 extra clicks per forum (Forum Tools / Mark Forum Read) is a reasonable trade-off for more accurate reporting of read vs. unread. I can see how this gets annoying for people like roger who read 30+ forums, although I question whether he actually visits all 30+ forums each time he goes to Flyertalk. Many of those forums probably don't get a lot of traffic, so you only have to visit them once every few days or once every week, and if there is a particular thread in those forums you do want to stay on top of, then you can subscribe to that specific thread. But I don't find it necessary to visit, say, the hotel programs forums every day since the vast majority of posts there are about specific properties that I have no current interest in. Hope that helps. |
I have revised my opinion somewhat.
Although I still do not like the way threads disappear from MYFT list after I post to a thread, I am liking that unread threads hang around until I actually read them. It is nice not to frantically try to get through the list before it disappears. |
Originally Posted by oklAAhoma
(Post 13649466)
Although I still do not like the way threads disappear from MYFT list after I post to a thread, I am liking that unread threads hang around until I actually read them. It is nice not to frantically try to get through the list before it disappears.
If new content is posted in a thread I already read, the thread simply re-appears bolded in MyFlyerTalk. On the extremely rare occasion that I want to access a thread I already read that has no new content, I simply refer to my list of subscribed threads. Yes, it took me some time to acclimate myself to this new way of having threads marked as read, but I have been liking it more and more as I have been using FlyerTalk. |
Originally Posted by Canarsie
(Post 13649562)
I did not like that at first either, but now I do, as it shortens the list in MyFlyerTalk after reading each thread.
I still don't like the disappearing act because all too frequently after leaving a thread, I think of something to add or correct in my post or I want to reread someone else's post. |
Originally Posted by oklAAhoma
(Post 13649466)
Although I still do not like the way threads disappear from MYFT list after I post to a thread
Unless you're posting without reading the entire thread first... (in which case you may be repeating something someone else wrote...) |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 13650801)
I'm curious -- why is this a problem? If you made the last post, then the thread has been completely read. It'll show back up in the list as soon as someone else posts to it.
Unless you're posting without reading the entire thread first... (in which case you may be repeating something someone else wrote...) I can recall the titles/forums of many of the threads to which I have posted, but even so, I can't remember them all. There are often times when I post to (or simply read) a thread, close it, then think of something I'd like to add/clarify, but I can't remember precisely where the thread is located. Sometimes I go hunting for it; other times I decide it's not worth the effort. |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 13646581)
... I question whether he actually visits all 30+ forums each time he goes to Flyertalk.
Originally Posted by oklAAhoma
(Post 13649466)
... I am liking that unread threads hang around until I actually read them.
Originally Posted by oklAAhoma
(Post 13651039)
There are often times when I post to (or simply read) a thread, close it, then think of something I'd like to add/clarify, but I can't remember precisely where the thread is located. Sometimes I go hunting for it; other times I decide it's not worth the effort.
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