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Randy Petersen Nov 26, 2007 6:44 pm

I will personally see that this will not happen - the dog pooh thing.

A reminder is that the well known and long existing policies of the TalkBoard is that they have absolutely no input into any volunteer/moderator policy or procedures. That will not change with this group as it has not changed with past groups. Given these facts, there cannot be any anti-mod issue as you refer to. While some members may have used that as a platform, the worst they can be accused of into the future is of not being able to deliver on their platform but i can't speak for what they really were saying, only interpreting what you have indicated. All candidates knew of the existing practices before the debates and elections. So, please put this scenario to bed.

As we enter each new session with these elected members, we hope they will provide their input and actions toward a continuing positive way for FlyerTalk. Let's give them that support.


Originally Posted by Radioman (Post 8793115)
The campaign this year was "LETS GET THE MODERATORS". Thats what it was all about ANTI-MODERATION. So many times it turned back to moderators.

All I can see is major arguements with TB committee and the whole thing turning into one big pile of dog pooh. Folk have agendas for trying to deal with the moderators and past history show these folk up.

But what the heck its been done know, lets just light the blue touch paper and stand back.


RichMSN Nov 26, 2007 6:47 pm


Originally Posted by Radioman (Post 8793380)
Rich your totally and utterly BUSTED on what this whole thing has been about, yes the conspiracy is there for all to see.

I would suggest strongly that these elections be declared null and void and ran again as I dont have any confidence in the outcome of the vote at all.

Ummm, no. I cast one ballot with 3 votes (2 winners, though!) and I am unaware of any such "splinter group." If there's a conspiracy, I'm horribly unaware of such a thing.

As someone who lost in this election, as well as last year's, I choose to accept defeat with grace and the acceptance that the best candidates in the eyes of the members of FT won. Maybe I'll be back for another go next year.

Randy Petersen Nov 26, 2007 6:47 pm

I was just making sure. What you might think you say is at times different that what other members think you say. Refer to above posts to prove my point. Just so there is no confusion, that's the purpose of my post.

But i am serious about encouraging you for next year.


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 8793408)
Randy,

Honestly, I wasn't referring specifically to kokonutz. I was answering the original post in the most generic way possible giving a plausible reason why it would not be good to eliminate suspended members from running for or sitting on the TB.

I know that such a suspension has happened before to other members and will likely happen again. Going down to 8 active TB members for 30 days isn't exactly tragic and it's something voters can consider if a suspended person runs for re-election.

BTW, I actually said "people" in my post to include you, as I don't traditionally think of you as a moderator. Had I just meant the group of volunteer moderators, I would've just said "moderators."


Radioman Nov 26, 2007 7:02 pm

[QUOTE=Randy Petersen;8793416]I will personally see that this will not happen - the dog pooh thing.[/UNQUOTE]

Excellant I am glad of that


A reminder is that the well known and long existing policies of the TalkBoard is that they have absolutely no input into any volunteer/moderator policy or procedures. That will not change with this group as it has not changed with past groups.
Yes that has been widley published and was pointed out during the election debate but it feel on deaf ears IMHO.


the worst they can be accused of into the future is of not being able to deliver on their platform but i can't speak for what they really were saying, only interpreting what you have indicated.
Well I hope this is the case with them.



All candidates knew of the existing practices before the debates and elections. So, please put this scenario to bed.
Its in bed, but I dont know how long the matress will last.



As we enter each new session with these elected members, we hope they will provide their input and actions toward a continuing positive way for FlyerTalk. Let's give them that support.
We shall see

bhatnasx Nov 26, 2007 8:17 pm

Going off topic here...

Congrats to the elected & condolences to the non-elected...Thanks for volunteering & being part of the process! :)

ElmhurstNick Nov 26, 2007 8:41 pm

This is going to be a fun year to watch, sort of like watching a NASCAR race. There's already one car stalled at the start, and there will probably be a couple of spectacular multi-car pileups along the way, cheered by anybody who has ever been suspended on FT and still has hurt feelings about it.

Were the vote totals posted someplace? I forget if they were posted in previous years.

PG Nov 26, 2007 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 8793121)
Have you ever considered that the voters might just be sending a message?

Bingo. And incidentally while I seldom agree with you politically in Omni ;) I agreed with your position in the TB elections and voted for you.

Anyway I don't want to interject any more personal comments.

Congratulations to the winners, and a round of applause for all the outstanding members who ran for the TalkBoard.

the_traveler Nov 26, 2007 10:07 pm


Originally Posted by ElmhurstNick (Post 8793950)
Were the vote totals posted someplace? I forget if they were posted in previous years.

The vote counts were not posted yet this year - at least I haven't seen them. In the previous years, they have been.

As one of the non-winners, I congratulate all the winners! ^

Axey Nov 26, 2007 11:16 pm


Originally Posted by ElmhurstNick (Post 8793950)
This is going to be a fun year to watch, sort of like watching a NASCAR race. There's already one car stalled at the start, and there will probably be a couple of spectacular multi-car pileups along the way, cheered by anybody who has ever been suspended on FT and still has hurt feelings about it.

That's right..It couldn't possibly involve people agreeing with the TB candidates' running platform. It's all about hurt feelings.

Bitter much?

ClueByFour Nov 26, 2007 11:16 pm


Originally Posted by J-M (Post 8793426)
I thought the whole point of a member-elected board was to let everyone present their views and let the members decide which views they like...

Absolutely.

To be fair, two members were elected to the Talkboard strictly on platforms of "overseeing moderation." One of them appears to be away from the board at the present time, according to our benevolent host.


Originally Posted by Randy Petersen (Post 8793416)
A reminder is that the well known and long existing policies of the TalkBoard is that they have absolutely no input into any volunteer/moderator policy or procedures. That will not change with this group as it has not changed with past groups.


My bet, given who finished and in what order, is that we are going to see a really low vote count/turnout. And that tells me that the anti-moderation crowd is more vocal than the happy majority on FT (and probably has more duplicate handles--see above).

I'm fine with that, despite the election outcome--those members that wish to impact flyertalk by trying to mess with a system (moderation/discipline/forum operation) that they've come into conflict with in the past still won't be able to do so.

Which probably thus begs the question "what's the point." I may run again next year or the year after specifically to ask that question :). Given that I'm absolutely un-populist in my views on the subject, I'm happy to be even mentioned in the initial round of results...


Originally Posted by Axey (Post 8794550)
That's right..It couldn't possibly involve people agreeing with the TB candidates' running platform. It's all about hurt feelings.

Maybe you missed the debate. Can I interest you in a recap about the individual mentions of disciplinary action (discipline against a candidate, mentioned by a candidate) by several of the winning and non-winning parties?

The poster you quoted was not a candidate. I was, and let me assure you that calling a spade "a spade" does not beget being bitter. It might, however, ruin the punchline, for which I profusely apologize.

Football Fan Nov 27, 2007 3:08 am

Commiserations to the successful candidates! :P ;)

ozstamps Nov 27, 2007 7:49 am


Originally Posted by ElmhurstNick (Post 8793950)

Were the vote totals posted someplace? I forget if they were posted in previous years.

Not sure, but all I can say is the final numbers might amaze many members. HOM might still be doing some final checks etc, so possibly they'll go up at some point.

Yes, in past years all vote totals for all candidates have been publicly posted.

Congratulations to the new members. :)

RichMSN Nov 27, 2007 7:58 am


Originally Posted by kanebear (Post 8795810)
This TalkBoard cycle should be quite enlightening. Given that two candidates can't address much of their agenda I'm curious to see precisely what will get done. I fear it won't be much. But damn actual ability to execute, if it sounds good and gets the votes, go for it. Right?

My private messages and emails received show that many that voted this way know full well that the TB cannot really address moderation and voted that way anyway. Someone should sit back and wonder why that would be the case.

bdjohns1 Nov 27, 2007 10:14 am

Either that, or we just decided it was time to try a few alternative viewpoints for a year and see what shakes out.

I deliberately didn't vote for candidates who:

* Didn't participate in the debate/discussion threads
* Incumbent TB members who voted the opposite way I would have on key issues of importance to me (ie, new forum creation - I think it's ridiculous the amount of hoops that have to be jumped through - hence the "give it a try" folks got my support) Even the Travel Photography forum took about 2.5 months to be created from the time of PTravel's own suggestion. That's ridiculous. So, folks who advocated the status quo view were less likely to get my support.

Similar for other issues. If I didn't vote for you, it's because I don't agree with your platform (or didn't know what it was because you didn't play in the debate/discussion). It's that simple - no ulterior motive. 4 of the 5 people I voted for finished in the top 8, and 3 of those 4 are now on TB.

Football Fan Nov 27, 2007 10:38 am

It's hilarious how some of those who didn't get in feel the need to "suspect that a small minority [committed] election manipulation".

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