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hhoope01 Apr 16, 2007 8:18 am


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 7587774)
Fine with me, if that's what the numbers show. Back on page 1 of this thread, in post #6, I guessed my OMNI posts accounted for 10-15% of my total posts, so I'm not surprised. I wish others on this thread would post how they would be similarly impacted (some have). Not one of those posts is in a number counting thread. Could we have some posters here whose numbers go in the exact opposite direction (say 10-15% on the travel forums, and 85-90% in OMNI)? I don't know, and I'm not going to take the time to research it.

I would guess that I would lose as much or more than just about anyone in terms of percentage of lost posts. I suspect that I have somewhere between 1K and 2K of posts outside of OMNI. That would put me well in the 80-95% range.

I have no issues with losing all of those posts. In fact, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I would just as soon lose them to help alleviate any issues others may have. I don't need them and didn't post in any of the "Count" thread to increase my post count.

I can't comment on other's motivation for posting, but I did so as it was enjoyable. (And also as I mentioned before, trying to get the palindrome or other "special" count numbers could be very challenging sometimes. :eek: )

And whether I post in OMNI or not, I have still tried to provide "constructive" information as I could in the Travel and Miles/Points forums.

CameraGuy Apr 16, 2007 8:30 am


Originally Posted by Mary2e (Post 7588966)
That was explained in subsequent posts.

I don't buy the "explainations". This is simply seizing upon a proposal by a member and twisting the motion to limit the number of FT Evangelists.

CameraGuy Apr 16, 2007 8:32 am


Originally Posted by Mary2e (Post 7588979)
Sorry, but this makes no sense to me.

The OP would most definitely lose his evangelist status, and perhaps even the person who seconded (if he even has it).

The real catalyst behind this motion is not the TB member who made the motion, nor is it the TB member who seconded it. They are either knowingly being used as pawns or are doing so unknowingly.

Lehava Apr 16, 2007 10:16 am


Originally Posted by dhammer53 (Post 7588657)
Hope you don't mind if I steal this. ;)

Anyway, I have an idea. How about if when we open Omni, we get directed to omni.flyertalk.com? It's still Flyertalk; but it's off-site so to speak. Now, as a separate site, your post count would not be included in your FT totals. @:-)

It's a win-win for both sides.

dh

How is this a win-win? You are still segregating Omni but not equally addressing posts on the rest of FT that are the same issue. I can see moving the games off. But how is a thread in Omni about the same thing being discussed in Newstand any less valuable. And how is a "great post by the OP" in American Airlines any more valuable than it is in Omni.

I have a question for Randy...what triggered him to decide to turn the post counts back on in Omni when they were killed last time???? Obviously he had a reason that they were brought back. Is that reason still valid?

PTravel Apr 16, 2007 10:19 am


Originally Posted by dhammer53 (Post 7588657)
Hope you don't mind if I steal this. ;)

Anyway, I have an idea. How about if when we open Omni, we get directed to omni.flyertalk.com? It's still Flyertalk; but it's off-site so to speak. Now, as a separate site, your post count would not be included in your FT totals. @:-)

It's a win-win for both sides.

dh

Sorry, but segregating OMNI means that it's not still FT. Either you believe FT is a community, and that includes OMNI, or you don't. I believe FT is a community, and OMNI contributes immeasurably to it (though I don't get the point of the counting games, and wouldn't at all mind seeing them banned).

majorwibi Apr 16, 2007 10:57 am

Thanks Lehava and PTravel.

I got on early this AM and meant to post a response similar to yours but then said screw it and went back to bed.

Anything that causes OMNI posts to be counted differently than other posts on FT is a no-go in my book since it would be stating that OMNI is not really a part of FT.

Lehava Apr 16, 2007 1:50 pm

Real World Example
 
I am asking as a genuine question, can someone from TB please explain to me why... posts here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683141
will have value if this passes and those here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683115 won't, other than "what side of the tracks" the conversation is happening on? Neither is travel based, but they are both important to the community. I just cant see the difference, please help me understand it.

GadgetFreak Apr 16, 2007 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by Lehava (Post 7590846)
I am asking as a genuine question, can someone from TB please explain to me why... posts here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683141
will have value if this passes and those here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683115 won't, other than "what side of the tracks" the conversation is happening on? Neither is travel based, but they are both important to the community. I just cant see the difference, please help me understand it.

As we various people say on Omni, "<chirp>"

tcook052 Apr 16, 2007 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by Lehava (Post 7590846)
I am asking as a genuine question, can someone from TB please explain to me why... posts here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683141
will have value if this passes and those here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683115 won't, other than "what side of the tracks" the conversation is happening on? Neither is travel based, but they are both important to the community. I just cant see the difference, please help me understand it.

Newsstand isn't meant to be another OMNI and AFAIK the only pertinent topics on NS are those that are aviation related. From the NS forum stickie:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310190

Newstand is a place to discuss current news that relates to travel in some way. We are pretty loose about what that means.

If there are topcis posted that aren't, members are always free to hit the Report A Post icon.

SlowTrekker Apr 17, 2007 5:58 am


Originally Posted by Lehava (Post 7590846)
I am asking as a genuine question, can someone from TB please explain to me why... posts here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683141
will have value if this passes and those here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=683115 won't, other than "what side of the tracks" the conversation is happening on? Neither is travel based, but they are both important to the community. I just cant see the difference, please help me understand it.

I'd like to applaud the participants in this sometimes heated discussion for showing restraint by not getting sucked into a discussion that could easily result in RV trips of varying lengths.

Call me Captain Obvious if you will, but not everyone reading this thread is a FT veteran. The FT forums I frequent generally have a sticky showing what thread topics are/are not acceptable. It is at the discretion of the forum's volunteer moderators as to whether a thread meets that forums conditions. Comments regarding moderator decisions as to what is/isn't acceptable in that forum generally earn fairly swift disciplinary actions per the FT guidelines.

Lehava Apr 17, 2007 6:53 am


Originally Posted by SlowTrekker (Post 7594622)
I'd like to applaud the participants in this sometimes heated discussion for showing restraint by not getting sucked into a discussion that could easily result in RV trips of varying lengths.

Call me Captain Obvious if you will, but not everyone reading this thread is a FT veteran. The FT forums I frequent generally have a sticky showing what thread topics are/are not acceptable. It is at the discretion of the forum's volunteer moderators as to whether a thread meets that forums conditions. Comments regarding moderator decisions as to what is/isn't acceptable in that forum generally earn fairly swift disciplinary actions per the FT guidelines.

HUH????? *very confused look* My question had NOTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE to do with moderation. It had to do with the current motion and the same topic receiving post count in one forum and not another. But thanks for the lesson on TOS.

Gargoyle Apr 17, 2007 7:22 am


Originally Posted by Lehava (Post 7594765)
HUH????? *very confused look* My question had NOTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE to do with moderation. It had to do with the current motion and the same topic receiving post count in one forum and not another. But thanks for the lesson on TOS.

I believe what SlowTrekker was pointing out was that, threads and topics which are deemed acceptable or on-topic in one forum may not be in another, so to put up for comparison posts on similar subjects from different forums is not relevant. Each forum operates differently, and that is (IMHO) a good thing, since each forum is a different organic lifeform.

Moderator2 Apr 17, 2007 8:50 am

Let's get back on topic, which is not - moderation.

If anyone has comments on that subject, please address them in a PM to Randy.

kokonutz Apr 17, 2007 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by Moderator2 (Post 7595365)
Let's get back on topic, which is not - moderation.

If anyone has comments on that subject, please address them in a PM to Randy.

While I understand that's the rule, it is impossible to address this issue without pointing out that the more appropriate way to achieve the stated aims of the proponents of this initiative is through moderation rather than ghettoising OMNI.

Moderator2 Apr 17, 2007 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 7596568)
While I understand that's the rule, it is impossible to address this issue without pointing out that the more appropriate way to achieve the stated aims of the proponents of this initiative is through moderation rather than ghettoising OMNI.

OK good point, and you have very succinctly expressed that idea in a single sentence.

Matt, I think you know what kind of debate we're really trying to avoid. Let's venture on carefully....

If anyone has a question as to whether a proposed posting might be appropriate for this thread, please do not hesitate to PM wharvey or me for our input.


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