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Originally Posted by Abby
(Post 7558339)
As jfe has said (and I hope I am not misrepresenting his views), if this issue was hashed through a few years ago and the end result was a decision in favour of including Omni posts in the FT counts, why are we going through all this again?
So, has thing passed yet? |
Sorry, No Correlation
Originally Posted by Dovster
(Post 7536073)
MapleLeaf, those who asked to have this motion passed had only one real argument: that counting Omni posts is misleading as regards the travel-knowledge of the posters. Maybe that is right, maybe that is wrong, but if it right it certainly makes absolutely no sense to give credit for a "Joe will be the next person" post made yesterday but not one made tomorrow.
I really don't know how many Omni posts I have but I would not be in the least surprised to see that over half my post count disappears if this passes. I will not be bothered by that in the least. Yes, there are 652 people who are currently Omni-enabled who would have less than 180 posts if their Omni posts aren't counted. The second paragraph of this motion guarantees that they will have the right to continue posting on Omni. TRRed, it is my understanding that if this passes it will not remove eligibility for any person who is currently allowed to post on any forum. If I am wrong about that, I will immediately introduce a new motion restoring their eligibility. The American AAdvantage board has become vacuous. I go to OMNI for amusement and entertainment; it never fails to deliver. The counts mean nothing to me. My vote is available to the highest bidder. |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 7560146)
This thread is a good example of why post counts do matter, and whether they are earned in OMNI or elsewhere is irrelevant.
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I agree with the motions...don't count the OMNI posts towards post count.
Just my $00.02. |
Why change things now? :confused: Leave things as they are.
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Posted by Punki back in 2000, IIRC. This was about the time that doc, a true FlyerTalk Legend, was the first to hit 10,000 posts:
I think reaching 10,000 posts is a very unique experience, thereby allowing everyone who reaches that status to select his or her own unique name (read title). Maybe it would make more sense to just list join numbers as titles instead of post counts. That is something that no one could fake or manipulate. Maybe I will suggest that as another motion. Personally I hope to be able to retain my "original member" status if and when I hit 10,000 posts. Someone hinted earlier in this thread that that was possible, but I have seen no confirmation of that fact. Like dhammer53, I am a poster who is trying to keep my post count down. Therefore, if I had a vote in this issue, I would vote to eliminate post counts from OMNI and every other non-travel related fora so I can keep posting and posting and still remain "original". ;) |
Posted by holtju2:
Just write a script that post to OMNI's counting threads every minute or so and you will be an evangelist in no time. Such is life. :( p.s. Darn, I just increased my post count. ;) |
Punki Original Member ^
I am soooooooooooooo®© jealous Rudi (only an Evangelist) :rolleyes: |
I'm all for the changes. Taking away postings in OMNI should knock me down below the 10k level, but I'm rather proud to say that a greater majority of posts in my FT tenure have been in the Miles/Points side as opposed to OMNI.
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The great majority of my FT posts in my FT tenure have been outside OMNI too, yet I'm still opposed to this because I don't think this motion solves any stated problem that can't be addressed by the status quo tools/items.
And about the idea of getting rid of all post counts, I don't think that helps resolve anything stated here either. |
Originally Posted by Brian
(Post 7559078)
This proposal has been "promoted" on Omni, and almost nowhere else on the board, and Omni-ites are the ones who's posting will be economically devalued if the TB should pass this. So of course, in this thread, you will see a clear (and very vocal) majority arguing for failure to pass.
In the larger world of FT, this has no merit, because: 1. Posters in other fora are not equally aware of the vote. 2. Other Fora posters have less concern about it, being unaffected. Of course, in a 100,000+ member universe, the anti-amendment posters here are an utterly tiny component of the total membership, though they do use their megaphone to sound as large as possible. So I'd urge both general viewers of this thread and TB members to visit the issue of "popular preference" with extreme skepticism. This is not a motion about the larger interests of FT, it's about things far more petty. If people can't judge a post by its content, there's no easy remedy for that -- and this motion won't improve (or make worse) an FTer's judgment either. |
Just how big is the OMNI Community?
Of FT's 125,000 or so members, what percentage actually do have access to OMNI? Maybe something like 5-10% (6-12,000 total members)? Do we have any real hard numbers as to the size of the OMNI Community, other than speculation from those of us that don't have the numbers? Could it be that half of FT may even have access?
I've seen posts about the "community" in OMNI, and even OMNI DO's, but I haven't really seen hard numbers as to how many FTers really do have access there, and how big this "community" is. No matter which way this vote goes, I would like TalkBoard to consider opening up OMNI to everyone, so all posters on FT can share in the sense of community that many say is found there (even in the counting threads). |
Originally Posted by Punki
(Post 7562047)
Posted by Punki back in 2000, IIRC. This was about the time that doc, a true FlyerTalk Legend, was the first to hit 10,000 posts:
I don't care much about post counts and never give them any credibility at all. .... Virtually every poster that I have seen who is opposed to this measure has stated that if this declassification were applied in a unilateral fashion to all non-travel related fora; they would support this measure. In fact, that is how this measure was presented by a "regular member." It was the talkboard who elected to modify the content to facilitate passage (in his opinion). What does that tell you? It makes a glaring statement that this is not about the counts, at all. There has to be an ulterior motive. What this is about is few people who think that anything non-travel related detracts from the purist ideology that FT is a travel forum and that is the only thing that is relevant. Community be damned. |
Originally Posted by tom911
(Post 7562498)
Of FT's 125,000 or so members, what percentage actually do have access to OMNI? Maybe something like 5-10% (6-12,000 total members)? Do we have any real hard numbers as to the size of the OMNI Community, other than speculation from those of us that don't have the numbers? Could it be that half of FT may even have access? I've seen posts about the "community" in OMNI, and even OMNI DO's, but I haven't really seen hard numbers as to how many FTers really do have access there, and how big this "community" is. He was happy to oblige, and we got given some most useful stats and %'s and even what % of posts some members had in OMNI versus other forums. Whilst I do not think I am authorised to release the actual number of FT'ers right now (quite a bit higher than 125,000 actually!) the figures we were given is that less than 5% of all FT'ers are able to post or view OMNI. And that includes all those who have been granted special rights to post there etc over the years, which is quite a few. So we are seeing a forum where not even 5% of FT'ers have access, spawn a large number of Evangelists upon the other 95% of members. And that will continue unabated unless an adjustment of some kind is made. That is what concerns many members posting above, from my close reading of all posts. This post a few back has been like many others:
Originally Posted by slippahs
I'm all for the changes. Taking away postings in OMNI should knock me down below the 10k level, but I'm rather proud to say that a greater majority of posts in my FT tenure have been in the Miles/Points side as opposed to OMNI. Clearly no-one is permitted to start threads in UA, AA, Hilton etc asking folks to come charging over to this thread, as those threads would be locked as being OT. But on OMNI that is fine, hence the number of "for" posts above - clearly derived from OMNI board, and not being balanced by posts form the other 95% of members who may well not realise this is even being discussed and have strong views on it. |
Originally Posted by ozstamps
(Post 7562632)
Tom the Talkboard private forum has had long and interesting debate on this whole vote. One TB member asked Randy if we might have a few actual stats to assist our thoughts and votes on this.
He was happy to oblige, and we got given some most useful stats and %'s and even what % of posts some members had in OMNI versus other forums. Whilst I do not think I am authorised to release the actual number of FT'ers right now (quite a bit higher than 125,000 actually!) the figures we were given is that less than 5% of all FT'ers are able to post or view OMNI. And that includes all those who have been granted special rights to post there etc over the years, which is quite a few. So we are seeing a forum where not even 5% of FT'ers have access, spawn a large number of Evangelists upon the other 95% of members. And that will continue unabated unless an adjustment of some kind is made. That is what concerns many members posting above, from my close reading of all posts. This post a few back has been like many others: There are some vocal folks whose post counts will drop by some 10,000 posts if this measure succeeds. Clearly making noise to stop it is their right. Many have not disclosed the high % of their OMNI post, which I do find a little disingenuous. That is the one argument they have NOT touched upon. Clearly no-one is permitted to start threads in UA, AA, Hilton etc asking folks to come charging over to this thread, as those threads would be locked as being OT. But on OMNI that is fine, hence the number of "for" posts above - clearly derived from OMNI board, and not being balanced by posts form the other 95% of members who may well not realise this is even being discussed and have strong views on it. 1. Your entire post is disingenuous -- using words like "spawn" and "foist" and hinting at numbers without giving the whole picture. Additionally, if it's true that members were singled out for having high OMNI post percentages, that's pretty discriminatory and smacks of a personal attack. 2. Perhaps the people posting in UA, AA, Hilton etc. don't care? In other words, and as others have stated better than me, this is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. And a targeted, discriminatory solution that has the appearance of some people looking to effect a personal vendetta. 3. If this is such a big issue that there will be such strong views, why not put a sticky at the top of each forum so that people are aware of the issue? Of course, this would eliminate one potential avenue for demagoguery. |
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