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OMNI
I propose to the Talk Board to discuss, and eventually propose to Randy, to close the OMNI Forum for a 'cool-down' period of some days (a week?).
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Rudi,
While I agree that the behaivior of a FEW people has gotten out of hand in OMNI, I fail to see what closing the forum would accomplish. I think the far more important question is about self control and how many posts/threads a day is too many. Either we need to increase the time delay in flood control or limit the number of posts per day. I do not seriously think that if OMNI is closed for say a week, the culprits are going to change their habits. |
Rudi, is there some specific reason you make this proposal?
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Rudi I am not sure that I agree with you.
I for one limit my visits to OMNI as I do not like doing searches to find a thread I posted in the day before. But I feel it sure has cleaned up the mess that used to be in other threads with topics that were like only related to the fourum by the Kevin Bacon Game But I would ask that you elaborate as there seems to be several threads running concurrently in OMNI on what the problem is. Thank you |
some of the reasons, for me, are discussed here
http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/007367.html others are, that I see/read now extreme political headlines (and posts) from all side there, that are mostly not done with the intentions to start a good debate, but just for starting 'trouble making'. |
There are specifically five Flyertalkers who have all seemingly decided to forget self-discipline and control and just let loose with this posting diarrhea. They embarrass themselves. If there's a problem, give them a time-out. They are clearly the ones instigating this nonsense.
doc, on the other hand, puts thought into his posts, and they are typically posts about current events, interesting things. These other people are hijacking OMNI to make it revolve around THEM and what THEY want. If they can't have Flyertalk for themselves, then NO ONE can enjoy it. Go back home to your mommies. [This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-28-2002).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by anonplz: doc, on the other hand, puts thought into his posts, and they are typically posts about current events, interesting things. These other people are hijacking OMNI to make it revolve around THEM and what THEY want. If they can't have Flyertalk for themselves, then NO ONE can enjoy it. Go back home to your mommies. </font> |
Not that simple. You have to go to the site, find news about current events/topics of debate, actually READ the article, find a concise paragraph or two which summarizes the information, post a new topic, copy and paste the hyperlink - it's time-consuming, and I believe he has indicated that he is on a 56k connection, so there's some real dedication there.
Having said that, Randy and a majority of FTer's have made it clear that he is a valuable member, and that's that. Perhaps when the economy goes sour, or people are having personal problems, he is an easy target for their anger. Too bad. I believe Randy should time them out, and let them go cry somewhere else. I am not interested in it, and probably most others here feel likewise. |
I don't think we're going to agree if your opinion is that finding "current events/topics of debate" on the NYT is somehow difficult. [btw, time consuming doesn't make something thoughtful.]
Articles are not summarized by those who post them (whoever does it) -- rather the opening paragraphs are copied and pasted. Being a valuable member is not an entitlement to post to 98 threads in one forum in one day. Whatever anger I may feel, it is out of annoyance at having OMNI be a dumping ground for every new story out there found by a single person (or small number of persons.) It may be a good defense to suggest that this is a personal vendetta, but it's not. I quite enjoy quirky, off beat omni posts that lead to interesting and often funny discussions. Any kind of discussion gets relegated to page 85763 of omni very quickly when anyone doesn't practice some level of moderation. I speak for myself here -- perhaps you can limit your posts to your opinion also rather than assume how the majority "probably" feels. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by anonplz: There are specifically five Flyertalkers who have all seemingly decided to forget self-discipline and control and just let loose with this posting diarrhea.</font> FewMiles.. ------------------ [ FlyerTalkers' Resources on the Web ] [ Unofficial Guide to AAdvantage ] [ Unofficial oneworld Info Desk ] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FewMiles: OK, put your money where your mouth is. Name your five "axis of evil members" so that they may speak up in response to your accusations.</font> Besides, there will ALWAYS be others to take their place when they've pushed on. Bottom Line: OMNI is not the problem. OMNI is essentially what it's members contribute to it. If you are upset with what's going on in OMNI ("extreme political" threads, completely superficial pointless threads, whatever), stay out of it. I can wade through all the new threads, though it can get tedious. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SMessier: ...limit your posts to your opinion also rather than assume how the majority "probably" feels. </font> [This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-28-2002).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by anonplz: Besides, there will ALWAYS be others to take their place when they've pushed on. </font> I look to OMNI for my daily source of humor, trivia, or just plain nonsense. I think chexfan had (at one point) a great thread going on all the things that made OMNI wonderful when it is at its best. And I do think that the reposting of the entire NYTimes was uncalled for this weekend. I was not amused to log on to OMNI yesterday to find dozens of single poster threads supressing the ones with multiposter content. If I want to debate the news, I'll do so with the morons on Yahoo. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif And FWIW, when it comes to OMNI, I just plain miss chexy and geo. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif |
I see.
I await more information on the difference between doc's many no replies random news item threads and those 5 others you are unwilling to name. ------------------ Having already dropped posting general news items, I'd be pleased to also (essentially split the difference between 0-13.5 posts/day) and go with a kind of self imposed "cap" with an average 7 posts/day! |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SMessier: I await more information on the difference between doc's many no replies random news item threads and those 5 others you are unwilling to name. </font> (Okay, exhale - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif ) [This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-28-2002).] |
I agree with Rudi; and have made my feelings known to the powers that be.
Omni has turned into a wasteland of silly posts. I venture to Omni every so often. If some people feel the need to post idiotic topics, far be it from me to stop them. And to those that posts these topics...they should seek medical help. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif Edited to add that many Omni posting are legit. Dan [This message has been edited by dhammer53 (edited 10-28-2002).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by anonplz: Maybe you are personalizing my remarks too much. I am making a contribution towards improving Flyertalk by giving voice to my opinion as to the idea that OMNI is a problem and must be stopped. I guess that's all I want to address, and I've said what I need to for now.</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">There are specifically five Flyertalkers who have all seemingly decided to forget self-discipline and control and just let loose with this posting diarrhea. They embarrass themselves. If there's a problem, give them a time-out. They are clearly the ones instigating this nonsense. doc, on the other hand, puts thought into his posts, and they are typically posts about current events, interesting things. These other people are hijacking OMNI to make it revolve around THEM and what THEY want. If they can't have Flyertalk for themselves, then NO ONE can enjoy it.</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by anonplz: No, thanks. That would serve no good purpose. Suffice it to say they (well, really, all of us) know who they are.</font> FewMiles.. ------------------ [ FlyerTalkers' Resources on the Web ] [ Unofficial Guide to AAdvantage ] [ Unofficial oneworld Info Desk ] |
As I'd already noted in the related thread over in OMNI, "...while I personally continue to post, as I always have, genuine factual articles, from reliable sources, that I sincerely believe are of general interest and suitable for the common good to whatever extent that it exists here on FT, it truly saddens me to think that some members would willfully "SPAM" the board, to supposedly teach some "lesson" or something/whatever, at the knowing expense of others who may well be on slow connections!
I thought we all posted what we thought was good to post, no? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Again, I would certainly be most willing to post less in OMNI and, for that matter, everywhere on FT. I would also be willing to completely withdraw from OMNI posting altogether! Do we really actually need to have an "OMNI" section? In fact, I'd even be willing, as I've noted previously, to retire from posting altogether! Perhaps that "Emeritus" title looks increasingly appealing to one as they age!" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif --- My purpose, plain and simple, as I believe nearly everyone here already knows, is to serve all FT'ers in general and Randy & Co. in particular, as best as I possibly can. FWIW, it seems that the issue here is that not everyone likes that - or me, for that matter! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif Yet notably, it's the seeming changed behavior of "others" rather than myself, and the resulting posting binge(s) that resulted that has produced the current "big problem" here! Again, I do not control what others post, nor they control my posting behavior! To those who do not like my posts, I'm truly sorry, but I can not possibly please everyone - as hard as I might try! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif For those who have been around FT for a good while, I'd previoulsy offered to limit my posts each day and there was no agreement on a number of posts, nor other related matters. It was essentially not regarded as a viable solution. http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ft...ML/000632.html Again, I get absolutely nothing from posting here on FT other then the pleasure of sharing info with others - but I do not have to do it! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif And again, do we really truly need an "OMNI" section after all? Has its' time come and gone? |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by doc: And again, do we really truly need an "OMNI" section after all? Has its' time come and gone?</font> |
I would be amongst the first to complain!
Why should OMNI be taken away from the MAJORITY of FT'ers, only because a minority cannot exhibit the slightest bit of self control? |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by doc: My purpose, plain and simple, as I believe nearly everyone here already knows, is to serve all FT'ers in general and Randy & Co. in particular, as best as I possibly can. FWIW, it seems that the issue here is that not everyone likes that - or me, for that matter!</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Yet notably, it's the seeming changed behavior of "others" rather than myself, and the resulting posting binge(s) that resulted that has produced the current "big problem" here!</font> Was it Rudi on Sunday when he posted to 22 threads? Or morrissey's 18 threads posted to that day? [I assume I need not ask whether your posting to 95 threads that same day could be seen as a binge leading to a big problem?] Or the day earlier, with morrissey's 17 threads? [Again, should I not ask of your 42?] Surely Morrissey's 12 threads on October 24 were a binge -- though quite tame compared to someone else's 60. Why is it that you seem to consider other people's posting of many threads as a binge, while you are a self-described public service for the benefit of all? Do other frequent OMNI contributors not deserve the same credit you do? (though presumably in smaller doses.) [Edited for UBB coding.] [This message has been edited by SMessier (edited 10-28-2002).] |
[pointless exercise in banging head against wall]
[This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-28-2002).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SMessier: Is that a fact? So whose behavior is/has produced the current big problem in omni? Whose posting binge(s) has brought about this debate? Was it Rudi on Sunday when he posted to 22 threads? Or morrissey's 18 threads posted to that day? [I assume I need not ask whether your posting to 95 threads that same day could be seen as a binge leading to a big problem?] Or the day earlier, with morrissey's 17 threads? [Again, should I not ask of your 42?] Surely Morrissey's 12 threads on October 24 were a binge -- though quite tame compared to someone else's 60. Why is it that you seem to consider other people's posting of many threads as a binge, while you are a self-described public service for the benefit of all? Do other frequent OMNI contributors not deserve the same credit you do? (though presumably in smaller doses.) [Edited for UBB coding.] [This message has been edited by SMessier (edited 10-28-2002).]</font> Yes, it is a fact! Perhaps you missed it! They said so! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rudi: ...But I agree, that for me, the current OMNI problem started with the postings of 'any' news story by doc, and the problem is now more than doubled by some of us 'counterposting' as 'usefull' news. While I, for myself, 'arranged' to live around doc's multiple (but usually, until this race started now, not more than 10/day?) news posts in OMNI, the current policies from both sides seems to culminate in a race with the intentions to put 'the other's posts' back to the second page'. As long as no side will give up (and it doesn't look like), this circulus virtuosus' will go on and on ... </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps: Well I personally think there are too few threads in OMNI... ...And a lot more things like lost kitten up a tree in Dayton Ohio stuff that really catches my attention. I think I will start 20 to 40 or so nice new threads here when I get a moment just to freshen things up. Some folks on FT get jaded with earning miles and points and boring stuff like that so they come here. It is my duty to assist them fill out their day... ...We have boring stuff that occurs here and I am pleased to now daily share a few dozen of these things with you. My SMH will now be your SMH. It will be my pleasure. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Morrissey: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Rudi: But I agree, that for me, the current OMNI problem started with the postings of 'any' news story by doc, and the problem is now more than doubled by some of us 'counterposting' as 'usefull' news. Sadly, yes!</font> And I have virtually no objection whatsoever to their posts, nor did I previously! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif You must really like grinding that ax, eh? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif Have a great day/evening everyone! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif -Mark |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by anonplz: [pointless exercise in banging head against wall] </font> anonplz ... that IS the non-official definition of what OMNI is about to many here after all. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif I am pretty much with Dan Hammer on this one. Am I one of your "Axis Of Evil" quintet? I have posted about 30 threads there in 2.5 years. Is that excessive? That is less than one a month when you average it out. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif THE surest way to cure yourself of getting annoyed with OMNI is on your computer screen right now. It is the tiny little "X" icon top right of your screen. Press that and you will be get over it every time. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif ------------------ ~ Glen ~ Calling all United 1K Members - please join .. www.1Kflyers.com |
I know better than to venture into this quagmire, but...
I think many of the recent barrage of posts were actually good. But there are just too **** many of them. At one point, the 24-hour backlog was six pages long. That's IMHO a bit too much. I don't think there should be fixed post limits, but could folks please just contemplate the volume that our little heads can comprehend in one fell swoop? Post a dozen good links, but then let other members post some stuff too. Yeah, a lot of OMNI is silly to the point of sophmoric, such as the word association thread and the three and six-word stories. But a lot of us use OMNI as much as our silliness release as our news/debate release. It is important for devotees of both sides to understand the benefits that their counterparts (or those of us that like to balance discussion with silliness) perceive. |
I started posting endless, trivial news links to make the point what OMNI would be like if EVERYONE felt the need to post 20+ topics a day which contain no original content. I was always under the impression that OMNI was a discussion board, not a 24-hour news channel. If a person wishes to start a thread about an item in the news and give his/her opinion of said item, that is one thing. But to just endlessly copy news items (which takes all of 20 seconds) is a bit excessive.
I like to think that we are all "guests" here, and that we should conduct ourselves as such. To use a real-life analogy, the next time you are invited to a party, stand up on a chair, pull out a copy of the New York Times, and start reading all the headlines in a very loud voice that drowns out all the other conversation. Would that make you popular? |
Did anyone happen to see "Bear in the Big Blue House" today?
If so, did the cousin remind you of someone? |
I would say that perhaps a better approach than limiting the number of new posts someone starts each day (which I'll be very surprised if UBB can support, so the whole idea is more protest than workable solution) would be to change the TOS to forbid postings consisting solely of news stories with no commentary (perhaps an exemption would be appropriate for In the News)
It makes no sense to call these kinds of posts thoughtful. If the objective is truly to spur discussion by contributing something interesting about which people might talk, then the discussion should begin with the original poster. If the poster himself is not motivated enough to share an opinion on the topic, then why should anyone else? Provided that the spirit of the rule were followed (rather than simplistic opinion offered as a technicality), then perhaps real discussions would result rather than pages of 0 reply threads. I'm not saying the level of discourse has to be high - which way the toilet paper should roll is a worthy diversion any day of the week, but we should at least focus it on things that at least one person, the poster, finds intersting enough to discuss. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy: Did anyone happen to see "Bear in the Big Blue House" today? If so, did the cousin remind you of someone?</font> But I saw lots of big cut outs of Smokey The Bear last week when driving around Yosemite. They all kinda reminded me of Cigarman. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif |
I really like OMNI, and hope it stays.
You see, I never look at it. It keeps lots of folks busy when they could be up to other mischief. For those folks afraid to register with the NYTimes site and who can't spell "yahoo", the DNN is invaluable. And everybody else there seems to be having a jolly time as well. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE TIED UP AND FORCED TO READ "OMNI"? |
It has nothing to do with being "Forced" to read OMNI.
It has everything to do with being forced to wade through pages and pages of crap to find the hidden gems. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by robb: It makes no sense to call these kinds of posts thoughtful. If the objective is truly to spur discussion by contributing something interesting about which people might talk, then the discussion should begin with the original poster. If the poster himself is not motivated enough to share an opinion on the topic, then why should anyone else?</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by robb: I would say that perhaps a better approach than limiting the number of new posts someone starts each day (which I'll be very surprised if UBB can support, so the whole idea is more protest than workable solution) would be to change the TOS to forbid postings consisting solely of news stories with no commentary (perhaps an exemption would be appropriate for In the News) It makes no sense to call these kinds of posts thoughtful. If the objective is truly to spur discussion by contributing something interesting about which people might talk, then the discussion should begin with the original poster. If the poster himself is not motivated enough to share an opinion on the topic, then why should anyone else? Provided that the spirit of the rule were followed (rather than simplistic opinion offered as a technicality), then perhaps real discussions would result rather than pages of 0 reply threads. I'm not saying the level of discourse has to be high - which way the toilet paper should roll is a worthy diversion any day of the week, but we should at least focus it on things that at least one person, the poster, finds intersting enough to discuss.</font> And if not a news post, the first par or two presumably outlines the poster's view as in other Forums. The TalkBoard has (*it is believed* http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif ) been slaving away in secret meetings all year working on - among thier other major acheivements, toward appointing more moderators for Forums robb. Why not offer to extend your responsibilty to that Forum? If you or someone else agreed, and the TOS were changed, it might be a more productive place to visit for all. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif ------------------ ~ Glen ~ Calling all United 1K Members - please join .. www.1Kflyers.com |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ozstamps:
I am pretty much with Dan Hammer on this one. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif And one more thing Oz, I know TB doesn't want this exposed but here goes...we're all resigning and leaving you and a few others in charge! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif Dan |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy: It has nothing to do with being "Forced" to read OMNI. It has everything to do with being forced to wade through pages and pages of crap to find the hidden gems.</font> Really? Who decides what "crap" is? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif You? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif PLEASE!!! Not for me, thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif And who is forcing you to wade through the "pages and pages of 'crap'" anyway? Have you ever considered that you possibly might actually, albeit subconsciously, enjoy "crap?" Or that, in fact, you may well actually be the "crapper," rather than the "crapee?" BTW, would this be a good example of one of those "gems" or not? http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006035.html Just wonderin' http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif And again, how was this episode concluded after all? Another aspect, which you have often raised to orthers and may wish therefore to consider for yourself, is whether or not this site is truly for you? There are others, as you have previously noted! Who was it that commented so vociferously that FT is better than ever now? Who said so frequently that FT is not broken? I forget! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif Can someone please help me out here, before I die laughing? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif Lastly, ElmhurstNick makes a seemingly very valid point! Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif -Mark |
Please continue to die laughing. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by doc: Lastly, ElmhurstNick makes a seemingly very valid point! Thanks!</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I think many of the recent barrage of posts were actually good. But there are just too **** many of them. At one point, the 24-hour backlog was six pages long. That's IMHO a bit too much. I don't think there should be fixed post limits, but could folks please just contemplate the volume that our little heads can comprehend in one fell swoop? Post a dozen good links, but then let other members post some stuff too.</font> |
[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dhammer53:
Originally posted by ozstamps: I am pretty much with Dan Hammer on this one. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif And one more thing Oz, I know TB doesn't want this exposed but here goes...we're all resigning and leaving you and a few others in charge! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif Dan </font> ------------------ danville 1K |
This TB thread titled OMNI is now looking AWFUL like an OMNI thread to me. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif |
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