Hotel declines Your24 but willing to upsell late check-out
#16
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Floating around
Programs: UA 1K (1MM), DL Gold (1MM), Marriott LTT
Posts: 10,344
If one looks under MSP's handle, she's PlatMinus too (unless she hasn't updated under her handle) But yeah I don't see the need for the phrase. SPG has 3 levels of Plat. If one meets even the lowest level, they're still a Plat.
To the OP, while the property couldn't do the 7pm, that they extended to 5pm (hour past 4pm) was nice given they didn't have to do so.
Cheers.
To the OP, while the property couldn't do the 7pm, that they extended to 5pm (hour past 4pm) was nice given they didn't have to do so.
Cheers.
So, there is a need. Personally I don't care what it's called and I completely understand what @MSPeconomist means by PlatMinus and take no offense to it. Maybe someone should open a new poll on FT on what to call the lowest level of SPG Plat and that's what we all use.
As for Your24...this would have come in handy many times for me in the past but alas I have no access to it and only just learned of it yesterday. Maybe when the programs merge after 2018 we'll have access to this as Platinums. My guess? They either come up with a higher level than Plat that is published or they keep the benefit only for Marriott's equivalent of PP. Just a hunch.
-RM
#17
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: BOS/UTH
Programs: AA LT PLT; QR GLD; Bonvoy LT TIT
Posts: 12,755
PLT Minus -- Should We or Shouldn't We??
Can we stop with the hypersensitivity to possibly hurting someone's feelings? Yes, of course we don't want to hurt someone intentionally; but that's not what we're talking about here. Lots of things are said, on FT and elsewhere, to which some might take offense. But do we really want that as the standard? We shouldn't say something if it's possible that someone might be offended inadvertently?
PLT- is the lowest level of PLT. (I will likely be one next year.) Are people here genuinely offended by the term? Are we all so conscious of being more or less elite than the next person? What difference does it make? Nearly all of us are anonymous on FT anyway.
Enough!
PLT- is the lowest level of PLT. (I will likely be one next year.) Are people here genuinely offended by the term? Are we all so conscious of being more or less elite than the next person? What difference does it make? Nearly all of us are anonymous on FT anyway.
Enough!
#18
Join Date: Nov 2008
Programs: SPG-Plat, Hilton-Diamond, Club Carlson-Silver, Cathay-Diamond, Virgin-Gold
Posts: 2,183
As far as the OP, he has earned the Your24 benefit which entitles him to check in/check out over any 24 hour period, as long as the hotel has availability. The fact that hotel has availability for a fee but not as a Your24 benefit is just plain wrong. I don't see why he/she should be grateful for free 5 pm check out if 7 pm check out is available for a fee. Either it's available for 7 pm check-out or it isn't. (I have Your24 and it is an amazing benefit when the hotel co-operates.)
It would in my opinion be completely different if the hotel was saying you can pay a little more to keep the room until 7PM but actually what they have said is you need to pay for the room for the night.
In regards offering the 5PM checkout this seems reasonable as they will no doubt be working on the principal that some people will arrive after 6/7PM to checkin, but the chances they will arrive after 8/9PM is slim. I certainly would not find it acceptable to turn up to the hotel to checkin and be told actually your room wont be ready until 8:30PM as we gave someone a 7PM checkout!
The hotel should not lose a nights revenue by giving a Your24 request and to expect it to do so is in my opinion unfair.
#19
Join Date: Nov 2008
Programs: SPG-Plat, Hilton-Diamond, Club Carlson-Silver, Cathay-Diamond, Virgin-Gold
Posts: 2,183
Can we stop with the hypersensitivity to possibly hurting someone's feelings? Yes, of course we don't want to hurt someone intentionally; but that's not what we're talking about here. Lots of things are said, on FT and elsewhere, to which some might take offense. But do we really want that as the standard? We shouldn't say something if it's possible that someone might be offended inadvertently?
PLT- is the lowest level of PLT. (I will likely be one next year.) Are people here genuinely offended by the term? Are we all so conscious of being more or less elite than the next person? What difference does it make? Nearly all of us are anonymous on FT anyway.
Enough!
PLT- is the lowest level of PLT. (I will likely be one next year.) Are people here genuinely offended by the term? Are we all so conscious of being more or less elite than the next person? What difference does it make? Nearly all of us are anonymous on FT anyway.
Enough!
PLT- suggestes it is a level below Platinum, which would actually be Gold!
#20
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Aug 2002
Programs: UALifetimePremierGold, Marriott LifetimeTitanium
Posts: 71,110
No - I talked about this with my Ambassador, she said IF you are applying an SNA, once that clears, you need to re-apply for Y24.
IF you already have a Y24 approved, and then get an SNA approved, your Y24 request is basically invalidated, because your Y24 was approved for a different room type.
IF you already have a Y24 approved, and then get an SNA approved, your Y24 request is basically invalidated, because your Y24 was approved for a different room type.
Cheers.
#21
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto
Programs: UA 1K, AC MM E75, Marriott LT Ti, IHG Dia Amb, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 15,521
My request was 7PM check-in/out.
Dispite being able to find at least 15 suites available for my check-out date on spg.com, five days out to my stay the property still projects to be full.
I contacted Your24 support desk about this which in turn got in touch with hotel. The hotel got back to me in an email. Their take on this is: I can have a 4PM check-out (what's new?), as a gesture of goodwill they will grant a 5PM check-out; finally, if I want a 7PM check-out I have to pay for an extra night.
It seems that they can accomodate my 7PM check-out (what about those projected occupancy levels?), but only if I pay extra!
Dispite being able to find at least 15 suites available for my check-out date on spg.com, five days out to my stay the property still projects to be full.
I contacted Your24 support desk about this which in turn got in touch with hotel. The hotel got back to me in an email. Their take on this is: I can have a 4PM check-out (what's new?), as a gesture of goodwill they will grant a 5PM check-out; finally, if I want a 7PM check-out I have to pay for an extra night.
It seems that they can accomodate my 7PM check-out (what about those projected occupancy levels?), but only if I pay extra!
#22
Moderator: British Airways Executive Club, Marriott Bonvoy
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Englandshire
Programs: SPG LT Plat, BA G, BD*LG, MG Blue+ ...
Posts: 16,032
Confusion and thread disruption. See above.
As the ongoing merger discussions are bringing lots of new FT members to the SPG forum, many of whom are not familiar with the finer details of the SPG program, then IMHO it's best not to confuse things by using 'unofficial' terminology to describe something that doesn't really exist anyway.
As the ongoing merger discussions are bringing lots of new FT members to the SPG forum, many of whom are not familiar with the finer details of the SPG program, then IMHO it's best not to confuse things by using 'unofficial' terminology to describe something that doesn't really exist anyway.
#23
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA LTG (EXP), Hilton Silver (Dia), Marriott LTP (PP), SPG LTG (P) > MPG LTPP
Posts: 11,329
Confusion and thread disruption. See above.
As the ongoing merger discussions are bringing lots of new FT members to the SPG forum, many of whom are not familiar with the finer details of the SPG program, then IMHO it's best not to confuse things by using 'unofficial' terminology to describe something that doesn't really exist anyway.
As the ongoing merger discussions are bringing lots of new FT members to the SPG forum, many of whom are not familiar with the finer details of the SPG program, then IMHO it's best not to confuse things by using 'unofficial' terminology to describe something that doesn't really exist anyway.
This problem exists in many different programs. One that comes to mind is AA as Executive Platinum usually referred to as EXP. Some read that as Ex Platinum meaning previously Platinum and not even close to correct. If the program can not/will not make is clear what levels exists, then we are left to our own imaginations.
Some of us present these options hoping they will get picked up and become the defacto standard. I keep referring to the merged program as MPG hoping it will get traction. Only time will tell.
#24
Suspended
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: New York, NY
Programs: Delta - Gold; Starwood - Platinum; HHonors - Diamond & Avis Preferred
Posts: 10,869
Confusion and thread disruption. See above.
As the ongoing merger discussions are bringing lots of new FT members to the SPG forum, many of whom are not familiar with the finer details of the SPG program, then IMHO it's best not to confuse things by using 'unofficial' terminology to describe something that doesn't really exist anyway.
As the ongoing merger discussions are bringing lots of new FT members to the SPG forum, many of whom are not familiar with the finer details of the SPG program, then IMHO it's best not to confuse things by using 'unofficial' terminology to describe something that doesn't really exist anyway.
#25
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,170
#26
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: BOS/UTH
Programs: AA LT PLT; QR GLD; Bonvoy LT TIT
Posts: 12,755
Anything wrong with PLT, PLT 75 and PLT 100? It's accurate and, AFAICT, inoffensive to all.
#27
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Exactly where I want to be
Programs: IHG Gold,SPG Gold, HH Gold, Marriott Gold, Hyatt Discoverist, Delta Kettle, AMEX Plat, DL AMEX Plat
Posts: 1,434
5PM sounds pretty cool to me and I would have been happy with it.^:-:
I have run into hotels where 4PM is the latest, no exceptions. They claimed Housekeeping day shift leaves at 5PM so they won't be able to clean the room. I would need to pay for one extra night for 5PM checkout.
I have run into hotels where 4PM is the latest, no exceptions. They claimed Housekeeping day shift leaves at 5PM so they won't be able to clean the room. I would need to pay for one extra night for 5PM checkout.
At some *wood hotels, that is true. They have shift that is trained to do the full service for the rooms. The evening shift is concentrated and trained on the turndown and fulfilling guest requests (more towels, more robes, toiletries...). Th two types of jobs are unique. A member of the evening staff will not necessarily know how to clean and prepare the room for an arrival ACCORDING TO THE BRAND STANDARD. It was certainly true at the *wood hotel I worked at. The reason you would have to pay for the extraordinary late check out was because the room was going to have to sit out of inventory and unable to be booked for that night because it couldn't be cleaned.
#28
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,413
If one looks under MSP's handle, she's PlatMinus too (unless she hasn't updated under her handle) But yeah I don't see the need for the phrase. SPG has 3 levels of Plat. If one meets even the lowest level, they're still a Plat.
To the OP, while the property couldn't do the 7pm, that they extended to 5pm (hour past 4pm) was nice given they didn't have to do so.
Cheers.
To the OP, while the property couldn't do the 7pm, that they extended to 5pm (hour past 4pm) was nice given they didn't have to do so.
Cheers.
I don't know how or why this would lead you to assert that I'm PlatMinus, nor do I see what my personal status with SPG has to do with the discussion in this thread. The OP asked a question about the OP's attempt to use his/her Your24 benefit. Then RobOnLI asked why he/she had never noticed the Your24 benefit and I explained that he/she is not eligible for it based on the status match from Marriott Plat (which was explained in the post as the source of status with SPG). My own status is irrelevant for either of these issues.
#29
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Aug 2002
Programs: UALifetimePremierGold, Marriott LifetimeTitanium
Posts: 71,110
The information under my username to the left of the post in question (which, for the record, I have not changed in a while) simply says that I'm "SPG Plat."
I don't know how or why this would lead you to assert that I'm PlatMinus, nor do I see what my personal status with SPG has to do with the discussion in this thread. The OP asked a question about the OP's attempt to use his/her Your24 benefit. Then RobOnLI asked why he/she had never noticed the Your24 benefit and I explained that he/she is not eligible for it based on the status match from Marriott Plat (which was explained in the post as the source of status with SPG). My own status is irrelevant for either of these issues.
I don't know how or why this would lead you to assert that I'm PlatMinus, nor do I see what my personal status with SPG has to do with the discussion in this thread. The OP asked a question about the OP's attempt to use his/her Your24 benefit. Then RobOnLI asked why he/she had never noticed the Your24 benefit and I explained that he/she is not eligible for it based on the status match from Marriott Plat (which was explained in the post as the source of status with SPG). My own status is irrelevant for either of these issues.
Your comment that the OP was PlatMinus implied that he was a Gold, because as been stated by William/StarwoodLurker, there is no PlatMinus - you're either Plat or you're not. Yes, SPG has 3 levels of Plat but it does NOT have a 4th level of PlatMinus. That's the issue w/ a comment like yours: "You don't have Your24. It's only for Plat75 and Amb. You're PlatMinus".
But as others have mentioned, including the mod, it's probably better to come up w/ consistent verbiage such as Plat, Plat50, Plat75, Plat100 (or some variation thereof, but consistent) because we do have new people coming to FT/SPG who may or may not be familiar w/ all things SPG & need constructive input.
The good news is the OP has had his question answered, & UA_NYC provided some additional helpful info wrt SNAs & Your24.
Cheers.