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puchong Aug 19, 2017 12:20 pm

Earning RDM: Something new?
 
Is this something new or have I simply been asleep for too long? I was toying with an Air China premium economy fare (E class) and just checked wheretocredit.com on earning rates. Shocked to find that for the majority of *A FF programs, this earns less than 100% RDM - most are at the 90% level and some (like AI, ET & TP) are as low as 25%.

Has this always been the case? Is it a case of Air China being bloody minded (would not surprise me an iota) or is the doing of the *A FF involved?

Kiwi Flyer Aug 19, 2017 1:32 pm

Most airlines have some cheap booking classes that earn either nothing, or very low rates. This has been the case for well over a decade.

puchong Aug 19, 2017 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 28710783)
Most airlines have some cheap booking classes that earn either nothing, or very low rates. This has been the case for well over a decade.

Of course I know that - but this is a PREMIUM ECONOMY fare. Show me another *A Premium Economy fare that earns nothing or low RDM.

zeer0 Aug 19, 2017 7:26 pm


Originally Posted by puchong (Post 28711332)
Of course I know that - but this is a PREMIUM ECONOMY fare. Show me another *A Premium Economy fare that earns nothing or low RDM.

Sounds like Lufthansa P fare revenue business class fare. Earns 0% in many programs. Only Miles and More itself and JV partners United and Air Canada credit 100%.

malmostoso Aug 20, 2017 12:40 am

It might also be that CA was using "E" for regular economy but only recently switched it to PE and earnings have not been updated.

For a brief but glorious period P class on SQ earned 200% or more on A3 since it was a first class fare reused as PE.

dvs7310 Aug 21, 2017 1:29 am


Originally Posted by puchong (Post 28711332)
Of course I know that - but this is a PREMIUM ECONOMY fare. Show me another *A Premium Economy fare that earns nothing or low RDM.

ET has one of the most notorious fares for this since it comes up constantly in the Premium Deals Mileage Run forum. They have a revenue Business Class fare (P) that earns nothing at all in all but 2 *A programs (their own and CA's). Unfortunately some airlines think that giving a discount in a premium class and not awarding miles is attractive enough for people to buy it anyway. I'd personally rather they increase the fare slightly to cover the cost of miles and let it credit at 100% across *A.

mahasamatman Aug 21, 2017 8:05 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 28715724)
some airlines think that giving a discount in a premium class and not awarding miles is attractive enough for people to buy it anyway.

And they are absolutely correct in 99% of cases. FT is in no way representative of the general flying community.


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 28715724)
I'd personally rather they increase the fare slightly to cover the cost of miles and let it credit at 100% across *A.

They call that a D fare.

zeer0 Aug 21, 2017 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 28719160)
And they are absolutely correct in 99% of cases. FT is in no way representative of the general flying community.


They call that a D fare.

You must be the first to be attracted by non mileage earnings fares. They could easily add $50-100 to the fare and make it 100% earning. Stupid really. Similar to LH P fare.

dvs7310 Aug 22, 2017 4:09 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 28719160)
And they are absolutely correct in 99% of cases. FT is in no way representative of the general flying community.


They call that a D fare.

ET D fares are usually significantly higher than P fares in a lot of markets. It's not the very small cost of the mileage they would pay to the partner program.


Originally Posted by zeer0 (Post 28719377)
You must be the first to be attracted by non mileage earnings fares. They could easily add $50-100 to the fare and make it 100% earning. Stupid really. Similar to LH P fare.

Exactly. LH P fares aren't nearly as bad as ET P fares. The LH ones do credit in many of the more popular *A programs (A3 and TK being the major exceptions)

mahasamatman Aug 22, 2017 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by zeer0 (Post 28719377)
You must be the first to be attracted by non mileage earnings fares.

I'm not attracted by them, I jut don't whine about it. But the vast majority of all airline passengers only care about the lowest fare. With airlines making record profits, there's no reason for them to pander to the 1%.


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 28720250)
It's not the very small cost of the mileage they would pay to the partner program.

Airlines are a business. They're not about to pass on costs with no markup if they want to stay in business. You can always just buy the miles yourself.


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