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mahasamatman Feb 7, 2014 4:01 pm

Beware that you must fly at least four segments operated by UA to qualify for any status. And once you move to the U.S., you will need to meet PQD thresholds.


Originally Posted by LAXUAHub (Post 22305198)
I am fully satisfied with United Airlines Mileage Plus Program. I do about 100K miles a year. Having put 100K almost every single year, this is what I get:

1. Platinum Status
2. 6 Domestic Upgrade Certficates
3. 6 Global Upgrade Certificates
4. Free drink coupons

You must be thinking of a different airline. Platinum status on UA only gets you two regional upgrades, and no global upgrades. If you do accumulate 100K PQM, you have 1K status (not Platinum) and you get four regional upgrades, not six.


Originally Posted by LAXUAHub (Post 22305198)
Automatic upgrades domestic and international about 60% of the time.

There are no automatic international upgrade on United outside of North America and a couple of Central American destinations.

Mwenenzi Feb 7, 2014 4:13 pm

Welcome to the forum


Originally Posted by Whiskystone (Post 22303672)
Any opinion one which is the best partner programme to join in the Star Alliance for points and upgrades?
Expecting to fly 70-100K miles/year mainly to Africa, initially from London, Amsterdam or Paris. Moving to Boston MA later in the year so then flying through JFK.

We have a sticky thread for this common question:- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/star-...post-here.html

Upgrade policy's (free or SWU,s etc) on USA based airlines is completely different to upgrade policy's on non USA based airlines.
Some Star airlines have limited cross airline upgrade sytem with miles on expensive economy fares
Other than USA airlines expect to fly on the class you buy

jhw0451 Feb 7, 2014 10:30 pm

(1) What is your home airport? PEK
(2) Do you currently have any status? CX Diamond, SkyTeam Elite through China Eastern
(3) What types of fares do you usually buy ? F domestically in China (usually PEK-PVG), J internationally
(4) Which airlines/routes do you usually fly? ~60+ segments PEK-PVG and domestic China, ~10-15 segments long haul international (to Europe or US from China)
(5) How many miles do you usually fly each year? 150k+
(6) Do you mainly fly for work or for leisure? / Do you have any flexibility in choosing the airline/fare bucket etc.? Mainly for work. Have flexibility in choosing airline and fare bucket.
(7) What is most important to you in a FFP? I typically do long haul international on CX or other OneWorld to maintain CX Diamond status. But I also do another 50+ flights per year in domestic China, where my airline choices are Air China or China Eastern. I would like to pick the right Star Alliance program to join to get the most out of those domestic China segments. ie if there were was a level of status I could reach on a Star Alliance carrier that could get me access to upgrades or free tickets from miles that I could use on long haul for personal use, that would be helpful (e.g., to north america on AC or UA, or to Europe on LH).

123dd Feb 8, 2014 3:52 am

Ur best choice would appear to be CA, 50+ will qualify CA gold, *G equivalent, and since ur travel is on CA anyway, most airlines treat their own elites better than partner elites...

ewilkins Feb 10, 2014 11:05 pm

So I posted this in the lounge but wanted to put it here instead, as well as adding some more info.

I'm fairly a inexperienced traveller and I have never used any frequent flier program. I'm living in South Korea now, and about to fly back to the US to visit friends and family. I would like to join a mileage program but I am a bit lost as to which one is best.

I don't know what information is needed to help me out with this, so I'll just give you some basics. I will be travelling around the US for about a month and half and then going back to Korea. I plan to visit California (SF, LA, and maybe spots in between), Vegas, Minneapolis (my hometown!), New York, and possibly Vancouver.

I'm mostly interested in status, I think. I just want to be treated well when I fly. Things like express check-in, priority boarding, and lounges are probably most important to me. The one business-class flight I took to Vietnam was incredibly pleasant and I'd like any or all of those perks again. Free flights would be nice, but I'm suspicious about how easy they would actually be to get, so that's not my priority at the moment (but could change).

It seems like I should go with either United or Aegean. Most people have recommended United but Aegean quick status gains are very attractive, especially as I don't know if I will be doing a great deal more flying after this trip home. And Aegean's status seems to last for a few years. I likely won't be flying as much the next few years as this one, so that is very attractive.

Here are the answers to some of those questions:
personal travel profile and objectives.
- what is your definition of best? The one that treats me the best for the fewest miles flown. Especially skipping lines and eliminating some headaches, also free drinks and snacks would be swell.
- do you value miles/points (or equivalent) for redemption over gaining status? No. I care more about status, for now at least.
- do you fly enough to gain any meaningful status? Maybe this year I will.
- what do you want to use the miles/points for (award, upgrade, hotels, what ever)? Upgrades. Maybe free flights. I don't care at all about hotels or rental cars.
- what sort of flight award is of interest (destination, class of travel)? Travel class.
- are you interested in topping up by paying cash for miles? Not really.
- which airline and where do you normally fly? No allegiance. I have just flown around Asia on whatever is cheapest.
- are you primarily a leisure or business traveller? Leisure
- where do you live? South Korea
- do you have other ways of earning points in the various programs, e.g. credit cards, shopping, etc,? No.

(1) What is your home airport? (SFO, LAX, MCO, etc.) Seoul, Incheon.
(2) What types of fares do you usually buy ? (C, F, Y, etc.) I have no idea!
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? (<25K, 25k-50k, >50k) <25k, but maybe more this year.
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? (UA Premier, M&M Senator etc) No
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.) Priority services and lounge access.
(6) Which routes do you fly most often (US Domestic, Transpacific etc) Seoul to San Fransico - ICN <-> SFO
(7) Preferred Airlines? None
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? Pleasure

I am a complete newbie so thank you for any advice you can give!!

123dd Feb 12, 2014 12:15 am


Originally Posted by ewilkins (Post 22326355)
So I posted this in the lounge but wanted to put it here instead, as well as adding some more info.

I'm fairly a inexperienced traveller and I have never used any frequent flier program. I'm living in South Korea now, and about to fly back to the US to visit friends and family. I would like to join a mileage program but I am a bit lost as to which one is best.

I don't know what information is needed to help me out with this, so I'll just give you some basics. I will be travelling around the US for about a month and half and then going back to Korea. I plan to visit California (SF, LA, and maybe spots in between), Vegas, Minneapolis (my hometown!), New York, and possibly Vancouver.

I'm mostly interested in status, I think. I just want to be treated well when I fly. Things like express check-in, priority boarding, and lounges are probably most important to me. The one business-class flight I took to Vietnam was incredibly pleasant and I'd like any or all of those perks again. Free flights would be nice, but I'm suspicious about how easy they would actually be to get, so that's not my priority at the moment (but could change).

It seems like I should go with either United or Aegean. Most people have recommended United but Aegean quick status gains are very attractive, especially as I don't know if I will be doing a great deal more flying after this trip home. And Aegean's status seems to last for a few years. I likely won't be flying as much the next few years as this one, so that is very attractive.

Here are the answers to some of those questions:
personal travel profile and objectives.
- what is your definition of best? The one that treats me the best for the fewest miles flown. Especially skipping lines and eliminating some headaches, also free drinks and snacks would be swell.
- do you value miles/points (or equivalent) for redemption over gaining status? No. I care more about status, for now at least.
- do you fly enough to gain any meaningful status? Maybe this year I will.
- what do you want to use the miles/points for (award, upgrade, hotels, what ever)? Upgrades. Maybe free flights. I don't care at all about hotels or rental cars.
- what sort of flight award is of interest (destination, class of travel)? Travel class.
- are you interested in topping up by paying cash for miles? Not really.
- which airline and where do you normally fly? No allegiance. I have just flown around Asia on whatever is cheapest.
- are you primarily a leisure or business traveller? Leisure
- where do you live? South Korea
- do you have other ways of earning points in the various programs, e.g. credit cards, shopping, etc,? No.

(1) What is your home airport? (SFO, LAX, MCO, etc.) Seoul, Incheon.
(2) What types of fares do you usually buy ? (C, F, Y, etc.) I have no idea!
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? (&lt;25K, 25k-50k, &gt;50k) &lt;25k, but maybe more this year.
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? (UA Premier, M&amp;M Senator etc) No
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? (Frequent upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, good award redemption rates, free lounge access, etc.) Priority services and lounge access.
(6) Which routes do you fly most often (US Domestic, Transpacific etc) Seoul to San Fransico - ICN &lt;-&gt; SFO
(7) Preferred Airlines? None
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? Pleasure

I am a complete newbie so thank you for any advice you can give!!

I would recommend OZ, the qualification of OZ is 40k in 2 years from the date you sign up. But being based in Korea, u have more chance of flying OZ than A3.. Airline always treats their own elites better than partners elites. And certainly more partners to earn pts while u r in Korea. Since ur trip is planned to the US, all UA paying fare classes earns 100% on OZ. 40k in 2 years is really nothing in FFP world.

UA is better if u r looking at redeeming, but it takes 50k per year to reach *G, I don't think that's within ur reach.

A3 is good, but new gold cards are now issued with 12 months validity only. But t&c on their site hasn't changed yet, so I'd be more careful in that space.

Mwenenzi Feb 12, 2014 12:17 am


Originally Posted by 123dd (Post 22333386)
I would recommend OZ, the qualification of OZ is 40k in 2 years from the date you sign up.

OZ = Asiana Airlines. Abbreviations are hard for some new FTer's
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/glossary.php

Kenny Lok Feb 13, 2014 2:07 am

(1) What is your home airport? BOS, but will be flying and residing in MTL/Vancouver and somewhere in Thailand in the next couple of years. I plan to travel around Asia quite a bit at the end of the year to 2015

(2) What types of fares do you usually buy ? Usually economy
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? (<25K, 25k-50k, >50k) I'm guessing 25-50k?
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? None
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? good reward redemption rate and additional perks are ofc welcomed
(6) Which routes do you fly most often (US Domestic, Transpacific etc) Not sure which route, but I will be frequenting Asia, Canada, and Boston
(7) Preferred Airlines? None
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? both, self-employed

Please help me out. Atm, I am taking advantage the my AA miles, and I now see the advantage in having credit cards to earn miles.

ddrum2000 Feb 13, 2014 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by JPG3392 (Post 22304207)
I would think UA, since you'll be in the US. While UA itself does not fly to Europe from BOS, its partners LX and LH have flights to ZRH, FRA and MUC from BOS.

I am a BOS flyer too but that's potentially problematic with the new PQD requirement. If you fly to Europe enough, LH/LX may make more sense. I'm considering whether a switch to AA makes sense or not but I'm leaning no. AA does not have PQDs but its much harder to earn miles on discounted fares with other OW carriers as compared to *A carriers on United. I'd be happy for someone to rebut me though.

Priory1 Feb 14, 2014 4:52 am

Hi all,

I'm about to do a bunch of flying in April (CTU-PVG-TPE-SIN-CTU), so pricing up various possibilities in J on CA/BR/SQ. I don't have any status with *A and most of my flying is with OW, so I'm looking to maximise value from these flights with a view to getting status, with potential for a few more flights with *A in the next couple of years.

Will I get anywhere near Silver from these flights? And if so, am I correct in thinking that joining and crediting these flights to A3 is my best option?


Thanks!

LufthansaFlyer Feb 14, 2014 9:01 am


Originally Posted by Priory1 (Post 22347169)
Hi all,

I'm about to do a bunch of flying in April (CTU-PVG-TPE-SIN-CTU), so pricing up various possibilities in J on CA/BR/SQ. I don't have any status with *A and most of my flying is with OW, so I'm looking to maximise value from these flights with a view to getting status, with potential for a few more flights with *A in the next couple of years.

Will I get anywhere near Silver from these flights? And if so, am I correct in thinking that joining and crediting these flights to A3 is my best option?


Thanks!

Your routing the way you describe it is only going to earn you 5k miles base, 10k if you get 200% J credit.

If you can squeeze out the 20k miles wih J, that may be your best option, but I think SQ operated flights only get 125% J credit instead of 200%. At least you'll have *A lounge access.

LufthansaFlyer Feb 14, 2014 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by Whiskystone (Post 22303672)
Any opinion one which is the best partner programme to join in the Star Alliance for points and upgrades?
Expecting to fly 70-100K miles/year mainly to Africa, initially from London, Amsterdam or Paris. Moving to Boston MA later in the year so then flying through JFK.

I would go with UA MP, you may not benefit much from it while flying from Europe to Aftica, but once you are in the US you'll be far ahead of the curve. And as long as you book your *A tickets through UA.com (016 stock) then dollars spent count towards PQD element. 100k with UA gets you 6 GPU (SWUs) and 4 RPU. As UA MP Premier Gold or better gets you into virtually any *A partner lounge in the world outside the US (except of course the beloved FCT/FCLs of LH) :)

Even after the devaluation of MP this year, it still is among the best programs for award travel / availabilty out of any member program in any alliance.

LufthansaFlyer Feb 14, 2014 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by LAXUAHub (Post 22305198)
I am not sure what other airlines offer, but I am fully satisfied with United Airlines Mileage Plus Program. I do about 100K miles a year. Having put 100K almost every single year, this is what I get:

1. Platinum Status
2. 6 Domestic Upgrade Certficates
3. 6 Global Upgrade Certificates
4. Free drink coupons

I am not an efficient user of miles. I also forget to record a lot of miles when I use partner airlines like Thai, Shenzhen or Air China.

What Platinum status got me:

Automatic upgrades domestic and international about 60% of the time. Economy Plus seats. Priority boarding. Lounge use when traveling international. Last year I did not use any of my upgrade certificates. I did not realize they expire. So, I could have got more upgrades if I had used these. I only recently learned that they expire.

When there are delays, I call the platinum line right away, and they get me flights and always put me in front of the line for any waitlist.

Maybe others can tell you more. But I like my UA status and mileage program.

You said you get 100k in a year? that would make you a 1k, but you talk as if you are a platinum... :confused:

you get 0 GPU/SWU as Platinum
2 RPUs as Platinum.

Also, you say you missed getting miles credited...if it has not been toooo long you can request retroactive credit, if you still have BP, Mobile BP or copy of invoice.

STOBOS Feb 19, 2014 10:11 am

Hello,
I was wondering if anyone help me out. I am about to move to Stockholm and will be traveling back and forth between STO and BOS about once a month, as well as Stockholm to Gothenburg at least twice a month. I don't really have any miles now and this is all in anticipation of upcoming travel.

(1) What is your home airport? STO
(2) What types of fares do you usually buy? W and K
(3) How many miles do you usually fly each year? >50K
(4) Do you have any kind of status at present? What is it? Nope
(5) What is most important to you in a FFP? Frequent upgrades on travel and free lounge access
(6) Which routes do you fly most often? STO to BOS and STO to GOT
(7) Preferred airline? LH or UA
(8) Do you travel for work or pleasure? both, predominantly work

A few other thoughts have come up in my research..
Is it worth getting a United Club credit card for the lounge access and then banking the miles on Lufthansa? Or should everything just go onto United?

Once I have a Swedish address, do I still need to have earn PQD? My most frequent flying will be on SAS between STO and GOT and can't earn PQD on these.

Anyway, thanks in advance for the help and your thoughts!

STOBOS Feb 19, 2014 10:16 am

Deleted for repeat post. Sorry, first time posting....


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