WN going to Hawaii
Oct 12, 2017, 8:18 am
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https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...-plans-service
The article from Dallas Morning News says on sale some time in 2018 but possibly not actually flying until 2019. Makes me think that we're still a few schedules extensions away.
The article from Dallas Morning News says on sale some time in 2018 but possibly not actually flying until 2019. Makes me think that we're still a few schedules extensions away.
Oct 12, 2017, 9:54 am
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The comment was not about flying to Hawaii, it is in regards to the statement about interisland flying they are thinking about doing. Two entirely different items.
Yes Aloha did it in the past with 737's, however as pointed out this was done with the 200's. Aloha tries it with non-200 versions of the 737 as well and it didn't work as there is not enough ground time for the engines to cool. This is why the 717's are used on those routes by HA. The only way interisland flying could work with their fleet is using a triangle route. OAK-HNL-OGG-OAK. Also keep in mind that some additional time on ground is usually required due to ETOPS checks which take place as well on the engines.
Yes Aloha did it in the past with 737's, however as pointed out this was done with the 200's. Aloha tries it with non-200 versions of the 737 as well and it didn't work as there is not enough ground time for the engines to cool. This is why the 717's are used on those routes by HA. The only way interisland flying could work with their fleet is using a triangle route. OAK-HNL-OGG-OAK. Also keep in mind that some additional time on ground is usually required due to ETOPS checks which take place as well on the engines.
Flying around and around Hawaii in a triangle is going to involve a lot of cycles. But presumably the engineers understand this stuff better now.
Oct 12, 2017, 10:06 am
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Aloha Incident
Oct 12, 2017, 10:38 am
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Not getting this part:
They can run out 737-800's now?
"Service is expected to begin using the 737-800 first.
However, the -8MAX will become the primary aircraft for flights to Hawaii once the aircraft is ETOPs certified by the FAA."
However, the -8MAX will become the primary aircraft for flights to Hawaii once the aircraft is ETOPs certified by the FAA."
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Oct 12, 2017, 10:41 am
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What?!? Southwest has used -300s and -700s for years with short ground times of 25 to 30 mines on many routes. I've never heard of delays waiting for engines to "cool". Southwest could certainly base a few -700s or -MAX7's in Hawaii to run an interisland operations (though they would probably have to figure out a way to do maintenance there).
Oct 12, 2017, 10:49 am
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Airliners-dot-net thread includes this seemingly-informed post:
Once a turbine engine has been shut down, usually it needs to cool down before restarting, depending on power levels prior to shut down. Cooling down can be done at ground idle power setting. Turbine engines generally don't like to be shut down straight from take-off power. They also require warming up before slamming to take-off power. The standard we use for cool-down is 5 mins at idle. Usually more than enough when taxiing back from run-up.
Oct 12, 2017, 11:15 am
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Apparently they are actually considering this?
"Southwest executives also acknowledged that they are evaluating offering interisland travel — a move that would cut into Hawaiian Airlines’ stranglehold in the islands and potentially hurt smaller local carriers Island Air, Mokulele Airlines and Makani Kai Air. In addition, Southwest said it is considering nonstop flights to neighbor islands."
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/1...ce-on-the-way/
"Southwest executives also acknowledged that they are evaluating offering interisland travel — a move that would cut into Hawaiian Airlines’ stranglehold in the islands and potentially hurt smaller local carriers Island Air, Mokulele Airlines and Makani Kai Air. In addition, Southwest said it is considering nonstop flights to neighbor islands."
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/1...ce-on-the-way/
Hawaiians can be very protectionist when it comes to local businesses, WN should tread very lightly in this regard.
Oct 12, 2017, 11:25 am
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AS is the largest carrier (# of flights) between mainland US and Hawaii, has some of the best fares. Subject fake announcement (no indication of when, routes) appears to be little more a shot at AS by WN marketing, to discourage customers from booking with AS, who are increasingly becoming fierce competitors.
Oct 12, 2017, 11:28 am
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Oct 12, 2017, 11:29 am
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Wasn't the roof failure on that Aloha 737 flight almost 30 years ago due to stress from too many takeoff/landing cycles?
Flying around and around Hawaii in a triangle is going to involve a lot of cycles. But presumably the engineers understand this stuff better now.
Flying around and around Hawaii in a triangle is going to involve a lot of cycles. But presumably the engineers understand this stuff better now.
Oct 12, 2017, 11:43 am
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NTSB concluded that the accident was caused by metal fatigue exacerbated by crevice corrosion. The aircraft was 19 years old and operated in a coastal environment, with exposure to salt and humidity.
Aloha Incident
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On the mainland, I presume WN would send planes on a mix of short and longer hauls.
Wonder if they'd return them to the mainland periodically for longer average stages. Guess that makes sense.
Oct 12, 2017, 11:49 am
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That would be massively expensive to do. WN won't have enough -MAX to service interisland in a meaningful way and it's doubtful that is a proper use of the aircraft. This means servicing interisland with standard equiptment and ferrying that without passengers due to eTOPS is a tough tough situation.