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JoeFlyer Jun 19, 2008 12:34 pm

Continental Leaving Skyteam for Star Alliance!
 
Continental in Leaving Delta/Northwest for Star Alliance [EDIT moderator: please add FOR to the headline]

Huge bummer for SkyMiles useage when they exit SkyTeam in a few months.

Continental Airlines and United Airlines Announce Comprehensive Plan for Global Cooperation; Continental Plans to Join Star Alliance

CHICAGO, June 19 IL-Continental-United

CHICAGO, June 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines
(NYSE: CAL) and United Airlines (Nasdaq: UAUA) today announced a framework
agreement to cooperate extensively, linking their networks and services
worldwide to the benefit of customers, and creating revenue opportunities and
cost savings and other efficiencies. In addition, Continental plans to join
United in the Star Alliance, the most comprehensive airline alliance in the
world.

"Continental's plan to partner with United and join the Star Alliance will
provide substantial new opportunities for all of our customers," said Larry
Kellner, chairman and CEO of Continental. "In a network business, there is
significant value gained from linking with larger networks to provide truly
national coverage and expanded global reach, and exploring new ways to reduce
costs and improve efficiencies. As we experience some of the most challenging
conditions airlines have ever faced, we look forward to the benefits of a new
relationship with United and the other Star Alliance members."

Teams from the two organizations worked intensively over the last several
weeks exploring creative solutions for how the two companies could achieve
efficiencies and synergies that expand beyond the well-established benefits of
codesharing. Their work focused on plans for significant cooperation on
frequent flier programs, lounges, facility utilization, information technology
and procurement. This work was assisted by the efficiency opportunities
identified and relationships developed during the parties' earlier merger
discussions.

"The teams worked well together to identify opportunities to create a
unique and competitive partnership extending well beyond a traditional code
share agreement," said Glenn Tilton, chairman, president and CEO of United.
"On behalf of the Star Alliance, I am very pleased to invite Continental to
join as a member. Continental will bring significant new assets to our global
alliance, and our two companies will work together effectively with our
partners to provide the best overall network in America and the world."

Kellner and Tilton are meeting in Chicago this afternoon to sign a
framework agreement outlining the systemwide alliance and cooperation
principles between their carriers.


Antitrust Immunized Joint Ventures

Through this new partnership, Continental and United plan to establish
joint ventures allowing them to cooperate with each other and with other Star
Alliance airlines in international regions and compete more effectively in an
increasingly global air travel market.

Initially, Continental will request the U.S. Department of Transportation
(DOT) to allow it to join United -- along with Lufthansa, Air Canada and six
other carriers -- in their already established antitrust immunized alliance.
This will enable Continental, United, Lufthansa, Air Canada and other
immunized Star Alliance carriers to work closely together as other antitrust
immunized alliances do, and to establish trans-Atlantic and other
international joint ventures so they can deliver highly competitive flight
schedules, fares and service. The planned trans-Atlantic joint venture, in
which Continental, United, Lufthansa and Air Canada will pool revenue, will
permit the carriers to compete more effectively with the proposed joint
venture involving certain SkyTeam members that was recently granted antitrust
immunity. The trans-Atlantic joint venture will combine the strength of the
carriers to create a more efficient and comprehensive trans-Atlantic network
for the carriers' customers.

Joint ventures are also planned for the Latin America and Asia/Pacific
regions, involving Continental, United and other members of the Star Alliance.
Both antitrust immunity and code-sharing are subject to receipt of approvals
from applicable national authorities.


Domestic Codesharing and Frequent Flier/Lounge Reciprocity

Continental's and United's route networks are highly complementary, with
little overlap, so they add value to each other and to customers who are
planning domestic and international itineraries.

In the United States domestic market, where antitrust immunity for solely
domestic travel would not apply, the two airlines plan to begin broad
code-sharing, which facilitates the creation of itineraries using both
carriers, as well as frequent Flier program, elite customer recognition and
airport lounge reciprocity. These cooperative activities are subject to
regulatory notice to applicable authorities and Continental exiting certain of
its current alliance relationships. Under code-sharing, customers will benefit
from a coordinated process for reservations/ticketing, check-in, flight
connections and baggage transfer.

Frequent flier reciprocity will allow members of Continental's OnePass
program and United's Mileage Plus program to earn miles in their accounts when
flying on either partner airline and redeem awards on both carriers. Travel on
either carrier will count toward elite customer recognition. Similarly, each
carrier's customers will have access to both Continental's Presidents Club
network and United's Red Carpet Club network of airport lounges.


Continental Joining Star Alliance

Continental's plans to join the Star Alliance and the other planned
cooperation are subject to receipt of certain regulatory and other approvals
and the termination of certain contractual relationships, including
Continental's existing agreements with SkyTeam members that restrict its
participation in another global alliance. Continental intends to terminate its
existing agreements with SkyTeam members and obtain the necessary approvals to
enter the Star Alliance, although Continental may not be successful, and the
time period for doing so may be out of Continental's control. For example, a
principal contractual restriction will not terminate until nine months after
the closing of the proposed Delta/Northwest merger. Continental intends to
transition out of SkyTeam and into the Star Alliance in a customer friendly
manner.

Joining the Star Alliance will connect Continental with United and 19
other airlines around the world. Within Star, frequent Fliers enjoy
reciprocity with respect to both mileage accrual and redemption among the
member airlines. The airlines also reciprocally recognize elite status, and
provide access to the worldwide network of lounges operated by the Star
Alliance airlines.


About the Star Alliance

The Star Alliance network was established in 1997 as the first truly
global airline alliance to offer customers worldwide reach and a smooth travel
experience. Star Alliance received the Air Transport World Market Leadership
Award in 2008 and was voted Best Airline Alliance by Business Traveller
Magazine in 2003, 2006 and 2007 and by Skytrax in 2003, 2005 and 2007. The
members are Air Canada, Air China, Air New Zealand, ANA, Asiana Airlines,
Austrian, bmi, LOT Polish Airlines, Lufthansa, Scandinavian Airlines, Shanghai
Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Spanair, SWISS, TAP
Portugal, Turkish Airlines, THAI, United and US Airways. Regional member
carriers Adria Airways (Slovenia), Blue1 (Finland) and Croatia Airlines
enhance the global network. Air India and EgyptAir have been accepted as
future members. Overall, the Star Alliance network offers nearly 18,000 daily
flights to 965 destinations in 162 countries.


About Continental

Continental Airlines provides more than 3,100 flights a day on Continental
and Continental Express to more than 280 U.S. and international destinations
from its hubs in New York/Newark, Houston, Cleveland and Guam. Continental is
the world's fifth largest airline, with routes throughout the Americas, Europe
and Asia. With more than 45,000 employees, Continental carries approximately
69 million passengers per year. For more company information, visit
http://continental.com.


About United

United Airlines provides more than 3,200 flights a day on United and
United Express to more than 200 U.S. domestic and international destinations
from its hubs in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago and Washington,
D.C. With key global air rights in the Asia-Pacific region, Europe and Latin
America, United is one of the largest international carriers based in the
United States. United's 55,000 employees reside in every U.S. state and in
many countries around the world. News releases and other information about
United can be found at the company's Web site at http://united.com.


This press release contains forward-looking statements that are not
limited to historical facts, but reflect the company's current beliefs,
expectations or intentions regarding future events. All forward-looking
statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to
differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Examples of
such risks and uncertainties include receipt of various regulatory approvals,
successful negotiation of documents implementing the planned alliances,
Continental exiting certain of its current alliance relationships, and other
approvals. Please read Continental's current report on Form 8-K filed on June
19, 2008 for additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties.
The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any
forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise
after the date of this press release, except as required by applicable law.


SOURCE Continental Airlines; United Airlines

DMIrishFlyer Jun 19, 2008 12:38 pm

No surprise - been on the cards for ages now.

sedna90377 Jun 19, 2008 12:39 pm

Why was CO so eager to leave Skyteam?

lls138 Jun 19, 2008 12:50 pm

hmm....maybe this is why I cannot complete my award ticket today (a leg is on CO metal)....

This is bad news for CRC members....I love the President's Clubs and especially the big Houston one.

When does this go into effect?

thenewbie Jun 19, 2008 12:56 pm

Looks like this is going to take a while before the dust settles.

Originally Posted by http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/news/alliance.aspx
For the time being, the Continental/SkyTeam relationships are business-as-usual. Continental is committed to making this transition in a very customer-friendly manner. There will be a significant transition period, including regulatory approvals, for Continental to move from one alliance to another. Until further notice, OnePass members can continue to earn and redeem miles on SkyTeam airlines and SkyTeam lounge reciprocity continues as usual for SkyTeam Elite Plus members traveling on international SkyTeam itineraries.


AndyTLe Jun 19, 2008 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by thenewbie (Post 9906440)
Looks like this is going to take a while before the dust settles.

CO can announce all they want, I think they still have contractual obligations with DL, NW and the rest of ST through 2009. It'll take some time.

crux Jun 19, 2008 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by sedna90377 (Post 9906308)
Why was CO so eager to leave Skyteam?

maybe they are expecting UA and US to go under and like the idea of being the only Star alliance member left standing on domestic routes?

DiverDave Jun 19, 2008 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by JoeFlyer (Post 9906255)
Continental intends to terminate its
existing agreements with SkyTeam members and obtain the necessary approvals to enter the Star Alliance, although Continental may not be successful, and the time period for doing so may be out of Continental's control. For example, a principal contractual restriction will not terminate until nine months after the closing of the proposed Delta/Northwest merger.

Interesting.

Sad news, but thanks for posting.

David

The Mileage Millionaire Jun 19, 2008 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by JoeFlyer (Post 9906255)
Continental in Leaving Delta/Northwest for Star Alliance [EDIT moderator: please add FOR to the headline]

Huge bummer for SkyMiles useage when they exit SkyTeam in a few months.

Bummer? Can you actually find a Saver award on CO?

Jaimito Cartero Jun 19, 2008 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by fsa_ea (Post 9906642)
Bummer? Can you actually find a Saver award on CO?

I find saver awards for CO flights on NW, all the time.

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 1:50 pm

Not a surprise.

Star Alliance had quite the hole for intercontinental non-stop flights between LHR and the New York area and this will close that hole for me.

mersk862 Jun 19, 2008 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by fsa_ea (Post 9906642)
Bummer? Can you actually find a Saver award on CO?

I found one on CO the other day for BOS-(CLE)-LAS for travel 3 weeks for today when I was looking a couple of days ago. There seemed to be decent availability going through CLE (rather than EWR/IAH, but I've seen decent availability on some EWR routes). Thing that hurt was the Saturday-night stay requirement when on CO.

Sadly, this will mean no President's Club access at LAS soon. Would love to see the post-merger DL/NW open up a lounge at LAS - they'll be the fourth largest airline (behind Southwest, US Airways and pretty even with United) so I'd really love to see a DL-operated lounge there.

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 1:52 pm


Originally Posted by fsa_ea (Post 9906642)
Bummer? Can you actually find a Saver award on CO?

Yes. And for my needs -- international routes and near-departure bookings -- it's done somewhat more easily with CO than with DL.

csgoalie Jun 19, 2008 1:56 pm

Knew it was coming, hope the significant transition period is long. I fly about 30% on CO, and they treated me well. Maybe a status match will be in the cards...

KeaauFlyer Jun 19, 2008 2:08 pm

This really bums me out. Saver level award tix to and from Hawaii are frequently not only easier to find on CO metal, but they offer a better product than DL offers on its own metal. (Much nicer seats than DL's domestic first in F and free meals and individual TV in Y.) I hope this "transition" takes a very long time, or at least as long as it takes me to burn through my SkyMiles.

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 2:09 pm


Originally Posted by csgoalie (Post 9906971)
Knew it was coming, hope the significant transition period is long.

I'm giving it 12-21 months, but I wouldn't be surprised if some aspects of the transaction end up impacting DL and NW FFP members in fits and starts before that.

AndyTLe Jun 19, 2008 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by KeaauFlyer (Post 9907049)
This really bums me out. Saver level award tix to and from Hawaii are frequently not only easier to find on CO metal, but they offer a better product than DL offers on its own metal. (Much nicer seats than DL's domestic first in F and free meals and individual TV in Y.) I hope this "transition" takes a very long time, or at least as long as it takes me to burn through my SkyMiles.

If CO is so much better, why didn't you bank your miles in CO instead of DL?

Geogirl1234 Jun 19, 2008 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 9906931)
Yes. And for my needs -- international routes and near-departure bookings -- it's done somewhat more easily with CO than with DL.

Especially TATL awards

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by AndyTLe (Post 9907153)
If CO is so much better, why didn't you bank your miles in CO instead of DL?

There are SkyTeam frequent flyers (and others too) who prefer/preferred CO airlines over DL (or some other airline) but feel/felt differently about the frequent flyer programs.

KeaauFlyer Jun 19, 2008 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by AndyTLe (Post 9907153)
If CO is so much better, why didn't you bank your miles in CO instead of DL?

No choice. Until recently, the company mandated which airline we had to fly on a paid basis. (They recently relented when confronted with lower priced tix elsewhere.) By that point I had banked over half a million SkyMiles. Until I moved to Hawaii, I had no reason not to bank on DL, as their service on the mainland was about the same as CO's. Once here, I found out what a big difference there was. Oh, well, there's always the NW A330 via MSP!

MikeyZBT Jun 19, 2008 3:02 pm

Well, this is not good at all! Now we are down to one domestic partner (and soon there will be none when DL and NW combine). Right?

Plus, I take it we will lose COPA as well?

MikeyZBT Jun 19, 2008 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by fsa_ea (Post 9906642)
Bummer? Can you actually find a Saver award on CO?

From SAN to IAH all the time.

amanuensis Jun 19, 2008 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by MikeyZBT (Post 9907438)
Well, this is not good at all! Now we are down to one domestic partner (and soon there will be none when DL and NW combine). Right?

Plus, I take it we will lose COPA as well?

Maybe they'll invite Alaska into the alliance.

lls138 Jun 19, 2008 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by MikeyZBT (Post 9907438)
Well, this is not good at all! Now we are down to one domestic partner (and soon there will be none when DL and NW combine). Right?

Plus, I take it we will lose COPA as well?

I just had a nice award ticket experience on COPA from CTG-PTY-LAX...given Snyder's of Hanover pretzel bags (cheddar ones and it was big) on the CTG-PTY leg!

ssk1127 Jun 19, 2008 3:38 pm

I don't see this as a big loss to NW/DL as long as they use this opportunity to bulk up Latin/South American routes. I do think this leaves the door open to keep the MEM hub to have a solid presence in the southern Plains/Texas region.

Biggest downside for me will be lack of SkyTeam to CRP (where the in-laws live).:(

ssk1127 Jun 19, 2008 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by amanuensis (Post 9907594)
Maybe they'll invite Alaska into the alliance.

one can only hope...but Alaska may like things the way they are

alex9654 Jun 19, 2008 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by fsa_ea (Post 9906642)
Bummer? Can you actually find a Saver award on CO?

Two weeks ago I found a nice Saver award from DEN-SCL during the holidays for a friend. 4 out 6 legs are on CO metal.

It would also be a bummer to lose CM as the PTY-SCL flight generally has good saver availability.

deejboram Jun 19, 2008 3:55 pm

I planned on using my Delta SkyMiles to get to Brazil in Feb 09 thru Mar 09 on Continental metal. Do you think CO will allow me a seat that far away? Delta is already pretty much zero'd out for SkySaver seats during that time.

deejboram Jun 19, 2008 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by fsa_ea (Post 9906642)
Bummer? Can you actually find a Saver award on CO?

I'm finding them EWR-GRU-EWR and also IAH-GRU-IAH for my dates. While Delta has nothing ATL-GRU-ATL and nothing JFK-GRU-JFK. Basically, from Nov - Feb DL is zero'd out of Saver seats but CO has a few Saver seats sprinkled around.

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 4:26 pm


Originally Posted by deejboram (Post 9907743)
I planned on using my Delta SkyMiles to get to Brazil in Feb 09 thru Mar 09 on Continental metal. Do you think CO will allow me a seat that far away? Delta is already pretty much zero'd out for SkySaver seats during that time.

If standard award space is available (or made available by CO) for general CO FFP members during that period, then you will be able to redeem DL miles for such a trip too. Award tickets already issued by DL before CO leaves SkyTeam will be honored by CO for travel. In other words, you are likely to be as able to use your miles for a Feb. 2009 - March 2009 trip on CO as you would be even without this UA-CO deal.

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 4:27 pm


Originally Posted by deejboram (Post 9907784)
I'm finding them EWR-GRU-EWR and also IAH-GRU-IAH for my dates. While Delta has nothing ATL-GRU-ATL and nothing JFK-GRU-JFK. Basically, from Nov - Feb DL is zero'd out of Saver seats but CO has a few Saver seats sprinkled around.

If you find space and your travel schedule is unlikely to be revised by you, then I'd suggest making your award ticket reservation whenever space is available for dates that work for you. This would be true with or without this deal.

rylan Jun 19, 2008 4:47 pm

My guess is that US will go into bankruptcy liquidation and assets be sold off, and UA will go back into backruptcy protection by the time this goes through.

Flying_Duck Jun 19, 2008 5:07 pm

I have a transatlantic award trip in Feb 09, DL BE out, CO BF back. I assume that will be untouched even if CO officially breaks away from ST by then?

USCGamecock Jun 19, 2008 5:52 pm


Originally Posted by Flying_Duck (Post 9908138)
I have a transatlantic award trip in Feb 09, DL BE out, CO BF back. I assume that will be untouched even if CO officially breaks away from ST by then?

I have used some CO awards before, but now I usually transfer miles from AMEX to CO for their flights. I always have a hard time using DL SM.

Dieuwer Jun 19, 2008 5:59 pm

The advantage for DL is that they will be the only ST carrier in the NYC area once CO joins *A.

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by Flying_Duck (Post 9908138)
I have a transatlantic award trip in Feb 09, DL BE out, CO BF back. I assume that will be untouched even if CO officially breaks away from ST by then?

Pretty safe assumption. Enjoy your DL BE & CO BF trip.

GUWonder Jun 19, 2008 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 9908369)
The advantage for DL is that they will be the only ST carrier in the NYC area once CO joins *A.

DL's beefing up international operations at JFK wasn't CO's ideal situation given it acted as competition over Manhattan's deep pockets.

MilkyWayDreams Jun 19, 2008 6:32 pm


Originally Posted by ssk1127 (Post 9907647)
I don't see this as a big loss to NW/DL as long as they use this opportunity to bulk up Latin/South American routes. I do think this leaves the door open to keep the MEM hub to have a solid presence in the southern Plains/Texas region.

Biggest downside for me will be lack of SkyTeam to CRP (where the in-laws live).:(

I somehow doubt NW/DL will beef up its routes to Central/South America. I remember a family trip to Belize where the only way to use SkyMiles involved three of four legs on CO metal.

It's really a shame because even the coach seats in CO came with a reasonable snack (small sandwich, cookie-type thing) though it's been a while so maybe CO has done away with that...

Boston_Bulldog Jun 19, 2008 9:17 pm

May have something to do with AC ?
 

Originally Posted by crux (Post 9906606)
maybe they are expecting UA and US to go under and like the idea of being the only Star alliance member left standing on domestic routes?


CO may be after some of Air Canada's turf as Air Canada is in the process
of looking for a buyer.... :rolleyes:

Many Canadians will be quite happy to say goodbye to Air Canada as it is now as long as something BETTER comes along ....

WestJet doesn't have the cash-flow to buy it...neither does UA nor US...
WHO's left with a bag of cash (or good credit) these days BUT . . . CO

Boston_Bulldog Jun 19, 2008 9:21 pm

Hello...
 

Originally Posted by amanuensis (Post 9907594)
Maybe they'll invite Alaska into the alliance.

Horizon/Alaska is already a DL partner; doubt they'll go over to *A.


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