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CopperSteve May 2, 2008 9:34 am

Will this trip be possible on SkyTeam?
 
I have a fairly difficult trip to make in August, and I am wondering if anyone has experience - particularly on the Buenos Aires to Singapore run:

- Starts off easy: NY/NWK to Buenos Aires for all-day meeting on 21 Aug 08 and meeting close at 14:00 on 22 Aug 08
- Need to be in Singapore for a 09:00 start on 25 Aug 08
- Meeting in Singapore ends on 27 Aug 08 at 17:00
- Need to be Mumbai for 09:00 start on 29 Aug 08 (meeting ends 18:00)
- Fly back to NY/NWK preferred ASAP

Upgrades aren't a concern as I'll fly business class the whole way.

Thank you,
Steve

sbm12 May 2, 2008 9:44 am

Welcome to FlyerTalk!!

EZE-SIN will be a bear, but I think you can do it in the time you have. The SkyTeam timetable spit this out:

Code:

From    Buenos Aires AR ( EZE ) 
To    Singapore SG ( SIN ) 
Depart    22 August 2008 
Departure Time    1705 
Arrive    24 August 2008 
Arrival Time    1555 +2
Distance    13690 mi 21904 km 
Duration    35h50m 
 
Flight 1 of 3: 
  Flight Air France 415
From Buenos Aires AR (EZE) Terminal 
Departure Time 1705
To Paris Charles De Gaulle FR (CDG) Terminal 2E
Arrival Time 1100
Duration 12h55m
Meal MB 
Aircraft Type 772 
 
 
Flight 2 of 3: 
  Flight KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 1234
From Paris Charles De Gaulle FR (CDG) Terminal 2F
Departure Time 1425
To Amsterdam Schiphol NL (AMS) Terminal 
Arrival Time 1540
Duration 1h15m
Meal 
Aircraft Type 737 
 
 
Flight 3 of 3: 
  Flight KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 837
From Amsterdam Schiphol NL (AMS) Terminal 
Departure Time 2130
To Singapore SG (SIN) Terminal 1
Arrival Time 1555
Duration 12h25m
Meal 
Aircraft Type 777

It is back-to-back redeyes headed east. There is also a CO/NW option heading west via IAH/NRT but that doesn't arrive in SIN until 1am on the 25th, and that would probably leave you a bit of a mess for the 9am meeting.

SIN-BOM will not be on SkyTeam. From BOM-NYC you have DL or CO options that will leave late that night. Sadly you cannot do it as a RTW ticket in the order you have the stops.

CopperSteve May 2, 2008 10:12 am

sbm12,

Many thanks. That is a heck of a flight.

As I think about it, it might make sense to try to do this in a completely different alliance. I won't need the miles to maintain Platinum on Continental, and I might qualify for elite status in another alliance from this one, very long trip...

Thanks again,
Steve

IC6A May 2, 2008 11:02 am

You need to go on One World....And soon Continental will join OneWorld.

chrissxb May 2, 2008 11:07 am

there's no need to go up to AMS. there is a CDG-SIN flight as well.

as for CO going ow, thats not sure yet, is it? ;)

Jaimito Cartero May 2, 2008 11:09 am

I think you can also fly Malaysian to KUL/SIN more directly. You might want to check a RTW ticket, as it might save you some bucks, too.

sbm12 May 2, 2008 12:07 pm

RTW would be unlikely. The path NYC-EZE is east and SIN-BOM is west. Unless there is a RTW ticket that considers SIN and BOM in the same region so that it is not backtracking that would not work. Also, you'd have to go BOM-NYC westward at the end, which is not possible without putting another stop in the trip.

I was pretty sure that AF had a CDG-SIN flight but that didn't come up in the SkyTeam search and I didn't dig too hard. There is a 12 hour layover in Paris if you want that:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.1.0/Platinum - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Code:

EZE  Buenos Aires Ministro Pistarini BA AR [SAEZ]
SIN  Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
TUE  19 Aug 2008 - 26 Aug 2008

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St  Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------------
AF        415    EZE  17:05    CDG  11:00 +1  772  0    1234567    37:40      -      2E  30 Apr  11 Oct
 -> AF    256    CDG  23:15 +1  SIN  17:45 +2  77W  0                          2E      1

As for alternate routings from EZE-SIN, there aren't a ton that operate on Fridays, according to KVS, though the initial search I did on KVS didn't include the AF trip, so who knows. The shortest routing seems to be the MH flight EZE-KUL-SIN, but that is only offered once per week, according to KVS, and not on the day the OP needs it. The routing on MH via CPT is only offered 2x weekly, also on the wrong days for the OP. There is a daily flight on SA at 1800 from GRU-JNB, and SQ can connect you on from there, but I think it will not be possible to finist at 1400 in EZE and make the 1800 from GRU.

graraps May 2, 2008 4:30 pm

Let's give it a go.
Westbound RTW.
NYC (DL/AM) MEX
MEX (AM) NRT
NRT (NW) SIN
SIN (CZ) CAN
CAN (CZ) DEL
DEL - BOM "overland" (i.e. buy an oneway domestic ticket)
BOM (AF) CDG
CDG (AF) NYC

Just purchase a MEX-EZE roundtrip on top of it and you're set.
Anyone able to pull the exact timings to ensure connections are workable?

graraps May 2, 2008 4:59 pm

The above doesn't work with your dates, as AM only fly to NRT on Mondays and Thursdays. Therefore you have to go via LAX on the return.

So
NYC (DL/AM) MEX
MEX-EZE-MEX separate ticket
MEX (AM) LAX
LAX (KE) NRT
NRT (NW) SIN
SIN (CZ) CAN
CAN (CZ) DEL
DEL - BOM "overland" (i.e. buy an oneway domestic ticket)
BOM (AF) CDG
CDG (AF) NYC

Can anyone check whether this is possible on the dates the OP wants it?

Dieuwer May 2, 2008 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by CopperSteve (Post 9666722)
I have a fairly difficult trip to make in August, and I am wondering if anyone has experience - particularly on the Buenos Aires to Singapore run:

- Starts off easy: NY/NWK to Buenos Aires for all-day meeting on 21 Aug 08 and meeting close at 14:00 on 22 Aug 08
- Need to be in Singapore for a 09:00 start on 25 Aug 08
- Meeting in Singapore ends on 27 Aug 08 at 17:00
- Need to be Mumbai for 09:00 start on 29 Aug 08 (meeting ends 18:00)
- Fly back to NY/NWK preferred ASAP

Upgrades aren't a concern as I'll fly business class the whole way.

Thank you,
Steve

It is possible on 1W:

08/20 AA955 JFK-EZE
08/22 LA470 EZE-SCL
08/22 QF322 SCL-AKL
08/24 QF322 AKL-SYD
08/24 QF319 SYD-SIN
08/27 9W11 SIN-BOM
08/29 AA5661/AA171 BOM-BRU-JFK

Dieuwer May 2, 2008 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by graraps (Post 9668783)
Let's give it a go.
Westbound RTW.
NYC (DL/AM) MEX
MEX (AM) NRT
NRT (NW) SIN
SIN (CZ) CAN
CAN (CZ) DEL
DEL - BOM "overland" (i.e. buy an oneway domestic ticket)
BOM (AF) CDG
CDG (AF) NYC

Just purchase a MEX-EZE roundtrip on top of it and you're set.
Anyone able to pull the exact timings to ensure connections are workable?

Or something like this:

NYC-ATL-EZE (DL)
EZE-IAH-NRT (CO)
NRT-SIN (NW)
SIN-BOM (9W11)
BOM-NYC (DL/CO)

graraps May 3, 2008 2:36 am


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 9669076)
It is possible on 1W:

08/20 AA955 JFK-EZE
08/22 LA470 EZE-SCL
08/22 QF322 SCL-AKL
08/24 QF322 AKL-SYD
08/24 QF319 SYD-SIN
08/27 9W11 SIN-BOM
08/29 AA5661/AA171 BOM-BRU-JFK

Since when are 9W in oneworld?? Can you buy a xONEx that includes 9W? :eek:

graraps May 3, 2008 2:40 am


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 9669113)
Or something like this:

NYC-ATL-EZE (DL)
EZE-IAH-NRT (CO)
NRT-SIN (NW)
SIN-BOM (9W11)
BOM-NYC (DL/CO)

That can't work as a RTW, however (i.e. it'll cost $$$$$$$$$$ more).

PJK May 3, 2008 3:48 am

It would have been a lot easier of you started off in EZE. Then you could have done this on a Wings RTW:

EZE-IAH-NRT-SIN-KUL-BOM-KUL-JNB-EZE

Dieuwer May 3, 2008 11:52 am


Originally Posted by graraps (Post 9670186)
Since when are 9W in oneworld?? Can you buy a xONEx that includes 9W? :eek:

You would buy a separate 9W11 ticket, duh!


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