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Originally Posted by DeltaFlyingProf

Yes KE J is better than AF J but only if you can get the new seats. The old seat physically hurt my back (you can feel the metal bar in the middle of the seat pushing your back).

Hmm, I flew LAX-ICN-AKL in J, and had the new seat LAX-ICN but an old seat for 11hrs ICN-AKL. Of course the old seat is vastly inferior, but I was comfortable enough to sleep most of the way without noticing a bar in my back. Different versions perhaps.

I agree with the serving sizes of all liquids (perhaps preemptive terrorist avoidance!), but never came across a crew that wasn't around the whole time and happy to serve me more of whatever I wanted to drink.

I'm not sure your F from Japan to ICN can really be used as a comparison point to AF F service as that's pretty much a short-haul flight. Although it sounds like I got better service ICN-NRT/NRT-ICN in J than you did in F... In J, at least, the food selection was much more limited on those shorthauls as well (so I finally chose to try the bibimbap, which was excellent so I ended up having it on the return as well!)

I will hopefully be flying AF CDG-GIG in J (assuming award availability on any reasonable day in a two week window next month) so I'll be able to make a proper comparison then.

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Originally Posted by eefor jfp

This is only true for FF members of the SkyTeam US airlines (CO, DL & NW). Members of the other programs (at least AF/KLM, KE, etc.) CAN get AF first awards. DL used to be able to until about two years ago. CO and NW never could as members of SkyTeam (not sure about Continental when they were partners with AF a decade ago).

Last year I booked an AF F award US-South Africa for 160K with DL Skymiles. By looking at the website, I can do the same today. The AF F flights were nothing to write home about.

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Originally Posted by zrs70

Last year I booked an AF F award US-South Africa for 160K with DL Skymiles. By looking at the website, I can do the same today. The AF F flights were nothing to write home about.

DL members used to be able to book AF F awards, but I don't think they can any more. AFAIK, it's not written anywhere, but try calling and see what happens when you request it.

Award Table for Delta

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Originally Posted by zrs70

Last year I booked an AF F award US-South Africa for 160K with DL Skymiles. By looking at the website, I can do the same today. The AF F flights were nothing to write home about.

Delta? Can someone please post a link here where I can find the mileage table (awards, spending) for Delta? I cannot find in online?

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Originally Posted by Flyer Walker

Delta? Can someone please post a link here where I can find the mileage table (awards, spending) for Delta? I cannot find in online?

https://www.delta.com/skymiles/use_m...dex.jsp#charts

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Originally Posted by Flyer Walker

Delta? Can someone please post a link here where I can find the mileage table (awards, spending) for Delta? I cannot find in online?

http://www.delta.com/skymiles/use_mi...eage/index.jsp

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Originally Posted by Flyer Walker

Delta? Can someone please post a link here where I can find the mileage table (awards, spending) for Delta? I cannot find in online?

Here's the text and the link:

Awards from Central and South Africa
The award types listed below are for round-trip travel. If you are ready to redeem your miles for an Award Ticket, see redemption options.

Area of Travel Economy Class Business Class First and BusinessFirst® Class
Between Central Africa or South Africa and: Mileage Required
Continental U.S.1, Alaska1, or Canada1 80,0002 120,000 160,000

http://www.delta.com/skymiles/use_mi...rica/index.jsp