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Originally Posted by daniellam
(Post 7509477)
...I just have a feeling that the tax authorities of certain countries where SQ serves would now start scrutinizing the way SQ allocates/sources revenue to various countries perhaps to minimize its corporate income taxes in certain countries etc.
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Originally Posted by TerryK
(Post 7510165)
Despite what the name PPS Value implies, I see little corelation between actually fare allocation and PPS Values. I have segments from exact same routing, purchased from the same agency but credited with very different PPS Values. I am not talking about 10-20% difference, it is like 300% difference. :p To me, PPS Values is a black box. :p Technically, I don't think it is even possible for SQ to follow the actual fare allocation as it could take serveral months to settle. PPS Values are posted within days of flights. SQ must have used some formula to guess the revenue, but it is a strange formula. :p
Did the tickets have no fare and just "IT" in the fare box, or was there a value in the fare box? If there was a value in the fare box, was the amount different from what you actually paid? Also, was there any thing listed under "tour code" on the ticket? Right now, it seems like that it is up to SQ to determine the PPS Value any way they want and to their advantage. |
Originally Posted by daniellam
(Post 7510617)
Right now, it seems like that it is up to SQ to determine the PPS Value any way they want and to their advantage.
Maybe I just got lucky.. haha.. |
Since August 1, when my last PPS year started (early), I have flown 30 PPS sectors and 53,403 PPS miles, both more than enough to requalify. But according to them, I have earnt only $20,069 PPS Value. Not enough to requalify.
Some of the interesting numbers are. I flew MEL-SIN-CDG as part of a RTW in Feb. This meant I had to pay the surchage on the SIN-CDG 77W leg. I then flew MEL-SIN-CDG-SIN-MEL on a direct ticket. RTW MEL-SIN - S$1939 SIN-CDG - S$3378 Direct MEL-SIN - S$1691 SIN-CDG - S$2979 CDG-SIN - S$2979 SIN-MEL - S$1695 If this all depends on the exchange rate, I hope the S$ tanks. Lastly - they are not showing how much PPS value it will take to get to Solitaire. I am 22.5 sectors short (97,166 miles). But it doesn't say what my current Cumulative PPS value is or how much extra I need to spend to get to Solitaire. |
Originally Posted by Gotta Requalify
(Post 7515529)
Lastly - they are not showing how much PPS value it will take to get to Solitaire. I am 22.5 sectors short (97,166 miles). But it doesn't say what my current Cumulative PPS value is or how much extra I need to spend to get to Solitaire.
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Originally Posted by daniellam
(Post 7510617)
Just out of curiousity, where were the tickets purchased?
Did the tickets have no fare and just "IT" in the fare box, or was there a value in the fare box? If there was a value in the fare box, was the amount different from what you actually paid? Also, was there any thing listed under "tour code" on the ticket?..... |
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 7503454)
I haven't had time for a proper check, but some bizarre PPS values for me too. The same sector flown on various (all SQ) tickets in the same class of travel has PPS Value varying by more than 100%.
From PPS values of part of a RTW, appears to be pro-rated based on distance (at least SQ flight with double the distance of another SQ flight on same RTW is getting double the PPS Value). I haven't checked just how much of the total fare has been assigned to the SQ sectors. I note SIN-AKL on RTW credited more PPS Value than SIN-AKL on all my SQ only tickets (in the same class of travel)? :confused: Overall seems to be allocating a very low value. YTD (3 months) PPS sectors 45, PPS value S$20k. Looks like I need to dig out my tickets/receipts to compare PPS Value with fare.
Originally Posted by Savage25
(Post 7503195)
Inconsistencies on the SIN-NRT and NRT-SIN segments from the same ticket as well.
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Originally Posted by qasr
(Post 7503014)
Yes. SIN-BKK in J was valued at 291 on a CRTWSTAR3. F on a FCPSTAR1 ticket was valued at 740. :confused:
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Originally Posted by ulev
(Post 7523461)
.....Assigning PPS Value seems to be pretty much a computer based guessing game.:D
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Originally Posted by TerryK
(Post 7524349)
Fully agree. :p PPS Values don't really represent actual fare paid, although it probably correlates better than the old PPS sectors/miles. ;)
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Originally Posted by SQPPS
(Post 7524716)
I think this is ridiculous. I'm seriously considering taking all of my transatlantic business to another carrier and scrapping the notion of SQ being my preferred carrier. This is counterintuitive crap.
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curious if anyone has gotten any PPS credit for SQ co-share flights on non-SQ metal.. :p
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Originally Posted by tfung
(Post 7526187)
curious if anyone has gotten any PPS credit for SQ co-share flights on non-SQ metal.. :p
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Originally Posted by daniellam
(Post 7509477)
I think it is time somebody here on FT obtain a copy of the "IATA Airline Revenue Accounting Manual" (forgot the name of the exact publication).
However this publication is likely going to be difficult to obtan... But it will probably give everybody an idea hosw the PPS Value might be derived. It seems the PPS value of a RTW will depend on direction of travel. Maximizing the PPS value of RTWs will be much more challenging. |
out of curiosity, does it matter if the rtw starts with sq or the majority of flights are sq numbers?
is there also a correlation with the latest statement by the vp saying " the new scheme is to make it more equitable for all flyers"... which i take to mean PPS dollars calculated ex-sin. so for example, a fare mel-sin would be calculated as half the return published fare of sin-mel. i myself am also confused with flights of sin-hkg, bkk-sin, icn-sin and cmb-sin which posted varrying values.i am not typing out these values however. |
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