FAA bans parallel approaches at SFO indefinitely -- Impact on UA?
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FAA bans parallel approaches at SFO indefinitely -- Impact on UA?
There’s a rumor being circulated by pilots and JonNYC on Twitter and Bluesky that the FAA has banned parallel visual approaches at SFO indefinitely, instead requiring staggered ILS approaches, due to “everything that’s been going on” and not the recently started runway construction. This would lower the hourly arrival rate from 50-something to 36 per hour.
For what it’s worth, during UA’s peak evening arrival bank tonight, there were 52 scheduled arrivals across all airlines according to FR24, and a handful seemed to have 30-60 minute ground delays at their respective departure airports. Curious to see how this plays out with UA’s schedules in the coming weeks and months.
For what it’s worth, during UA’s peak evening arrival bank tonight, there were 52 scheduled arrivals across all airlines according to FR24, and a handful seemed to have 30-60 minute ground delays at their respective departure airports. Curious to see how this plays out with UA’s schedules in the coming weeks and months.
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Without veering into OMNI, strikes me as a potential decision being made without any evidence whatsoever that supports such an action. Imagine UA would fight this action if it gets implemented.
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This seems wildly impractical as it is utterly incompatible with the current schedule at SFO. Somewhat difficult to give credence to the rumor, and imagine that it would start a massive fight if true. Would basically mean massive GDPs every single day and/or huge schedule drops.
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This seems wildly impractical as it is utterly incompatible with the current schedule at SFO. Somewhat difficult to give credence to the rumor, and imagine that it would start a massive fight if true. Would basically mean massive GDPs every single day and/or huge schedule drops.
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You're probably right in that it won't happen but the premise is not flawed. They could do it if they really wanted and compared to building a rail line through California with a top speed of 220 mph, it's a trivial one.
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I've joked that they should make six parallel runways out in the middle of the bay with taxiways to both OAK and SFO.
I wouldn't mind if they modified the current procedure to put, at least, some space between the two parallel arrivals. Maybe put a mile in trail of the other instead of wingtip to wingtip. Still could do less than the distance required by staggered approaches when the weather permits visual separation.
I wouldn't mind if they modified the current procedure to put, at least, some space between the two parallel arrivals. Maybe put a mile in trail of the other instead of wingtip to wingtip. Still could do less than the distance required by staggered approaches when the weather permits visual separation.
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I don’t know anything about requirements, but could SFO convert the northern taxiway into a runway and move that taxiway to where the 28R runway is? Or would that require some infill of bay to allow some “shoulder”?
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If you mean turning C into a runway, IIRC this still isn't enough separation to make a difference.
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Though looking at the FAA air traffic manual (https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...section_8.html) and the runway separation requirements for simultaneous same direction operations I feel like I'm missing something based on the discussion upthread as using the very precise measuring tool in Google Maps it appears there's already sufficient separation (even though my brain says that can't be right)
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Though looking at the FAA air traffic manual (https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...section_8.html) and the runway separation requirements for simultaneous same direction operations I feel like I'm missing something based on the discussion upthread as using the very precise measuring tool in Google Maps it appears there's already sufficient separation (even though my brain says that can't be right)
Base case seems to be 3,600 ft of separation and maybe as low as 2,500 with sufficiently advanced equipment (?). The entire "island" for the 28s at touchdown, including taxiways C and F, is less than 2,500 ft wide.

