BA777 missing (entirely) an F seat
Feb 17, 2019, 12:34 am
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BA777 missing (entirely) an F seat
I flew LHR->DEL on what I believe was a 777-236ER on BA0257 on 7 Feb (apologies I have no subscription to find the tail number). My companion and I were in the centre of the back row of F in 4E and 4F. The seat that would have been 4K was however entirely missing. It's right in front of the crew rest area and the absence makes 4F rather a good seat in my view. The strange thing is that it seems a large enough area to put a full size first class seat in (comparing it to 4A), and if not that then surely it could have something else (e.g. some storage space). The overhead bin arrangement suggested the crew rest area was retrofitted (for instance the rearmost bin could not be opened as it overlapped the crew rest area wall). I am very surprised BA didn't manage to squeeze a seat in here. Anyone know the story here? The cabin crew said something along the lines of "we don't know why either - it's a terrible waste of space" - I suggested putting a bar there! Is it missing on every 777-236ER (Seatguru suggests not)?
Feb 17, 2019, 12:37 am
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It applies on G-YMMG-P. There’s not enough space for seat 3K. The flight crew bunk area isn’t retrofitted. It’s always been there. Before ‘new First’ came along, the old seat and surroundings was slightly smaller and therefore there was a 3K.
Feb 17, 2019, 12:48 am
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I looked up your flight on thebasource which tells me you flew on G-YMML. PETER01 posted some photos of the cabin here: 12F
Feb 17, 2019, 12:52 am
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3K was there on this flight. It was 4K that was missing.
Feb 17, 2019, 2:54 am
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Yup. This is a 12F 777 which have been around since New First was rolled out, 5+ years ago. All caused by BA retrofitting crew bunk access to planes originally ordered without. The access is just large enough to prevent the 13th F seat being fitted in the space where 3K would go.
it is only the Rolls Royce powered 4 class 777 in the G-YMMx series - the earlier GE planes and later 77W don’t suffer from this.
it is only the Rolls Royce powered 4 class 777 in the G-YMMx series - the earlier GE planes and later 77W don’t suffer from this.
Feb 17, 2019, 3:32 am
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1K and 2K would have been there.
The gap you're referring to is where you'd have assumed 3K would be.
The crew rest area is where 4K would otherwise have been.
There are 3 rows of centre pairs of seats. Rows 1, 2 and 4 - row 3 is omitted for some reason and this may account for the confusion thinking 4K was missing.
As others have advised, it's just the 4 class YMM* 777's affected. The ZZZ* and VII* 777's do not have a crew rest area fitted in this space and there are 4x 'K' seats installed in their F cabins - each behind the other as you'd expect.
The gap you're referring to is where you'd have assumed 3K would be.
The crew rest area is where 4K would otherwise have been.
There are 3 rows of centre pairs of seats. Rows 1, 2 and 4 - row 3 is omitted for some reason and this may account for the confusion thinking 4K was missing.
As others have advised, it's just the 4 class YMM* 777's affected. The ZZZ* and VII* 777's do not have a crew rest area fitted in this space and there are 4x 'K' seats installed in their F cabins - each behind the other as you'd expect.
Feb 17, 2019, 4:04 am
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1K and 2K would have been there.
The gap you're referring to is where you'd have assumed 3K would be.
The crew rest area is where 4K would otherwise have been.
There are 3 rows of centre pairs of seats. Rows 1, 2 and 4 - row 3 is omitted for some reason and this may account for the confusion thinking 4K was missing.
As others have advised, it's just the 4 class YMM* 777's affected. The ZZZ* and VII* 777's do not have a crew rest area fitted in this space and there are 4x 'K' seats installed in their F cabins - each behind the other as you'd expect.
The gap you're referring to is where you'd have assumed 3K would be.
The crew rest area is where 4K would otherwise have been.
There are 3 rows of centre pairs of seats. Rows 1, 2 and 4 - row 3 is omitted for some reason and this may account for the confusion thinking 4K was missing.
As others have advised, it's just the 4 class YMM* 777's affected. The ZZZ* and VII* 777's do not have a crew rest area fitted in this space and there are 4x 'K' seats installed in their F cabins - each behind the other as you'd expect.
Feb 17, 2019, 4:17 am
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Here's a picture from a flight I took in 2006 - I'd not flown on a 12F 777 before and it intrigued me. It looked to me as if the crew area had been rather shoehorned in, as the seat number and overhead lockers remain there!
Crew compartment
Crew compartment
May 12, 2020, 6:53 am
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