Driving in Europe
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Oh, and don't forget this gem...
Driving on a two lane autobahn with a line of trucks driving in the right hand lane (and I do mean a LINE of trucks) driving well under the speed of traffic, when the truck in the back decides to pass the entire line of trucks. Oh, and while passing them, he goes about 1-2 km/h faster than the trucks that he is trying to pass.
Driving on a two lane autobahn with a line of trucks driving in the right hand lane (and I do mean a LINE of trucks) driving well under the speed of traffic, when the truck in the back decides to pass the entire line of trucks. Oh, and while passing them, he goes about 1-2 km/h faster than the trucks that he is trying to pass.
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I've found the situation you describe depressingly common, etch5895. There are some stretches of Autobahn with signs indicating that trucks cannot pass, but they don't always seem to be observed. Maybe the rules are such that if a truck begins passing before reaching the sign they can continue (since there is no gap in the right lane they can enter).
The situation has led me to think more than once that in many parts of the country, for the system to function well, an Autobahn really needs at least 3 lanes.
The situation has led me to think more than once that in many parts of the country, for the system to function well, an Autobahn really needs at least 3 lanes.
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I am sorry, but this is not the state of the law.
In the following circumstances:
That's not to say one should not carry adequate insurance, but just correcting how the amount of liability is calculated.
Ask your insurance agent or broker when was the last time he or she heard of Eastern Europeans coming to the United States to sue over a car accident? Better yet, what kind of judgment did they win and collect?
In the following circumstances:
Nationality of driver: U.S.
Nationality of accident victim: Poland
Place of accident: Poland
the plaintiff may be able to sue the defendant in some court in the United States, but the law that court will apply is the law of the place of the accident, i.e. Poland.Nationality of accident victim: Poland
Place of accident: Poland
That's not to say one should not carry adequate insurance, but just correcting how the amount of liability is calculated.
Ask your insurance agent or broker when was the last time he or she heard of Eastern Europeans coming to the United States to sue over a car accident? Better yet, what kind of judgment did they win and collect?
Note that overall - this is not a terrible thing - being sued where you live - assuming you have adequate insurance. If I had an accident in Poland - I don't think I'd want to be sued in Poland - and spend half of the next 3 years going back and forth for court proceedings. Being tried in a foreign court in a language I didn't speak - where I wasn't dealing with US lawyers.
Anyway - when we drove outside the US and Canada - we always used to buy a one month insurance policy from AIG (it sold short term policies - mostly to people in the armed forces). They weren't expensive - perhaps $150/month. If AIG wouldn't write a policy in a country I was visiting - one I can recall off the top of my head is Costa Rica - I wouldn't drive there (figured a big company like AIG had good reasons not to write policies in certain countries - and those reasons were enough to dissuade me from driving in those countries). Robyn
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I'd have to disagree about "without any traffic jams ever" on the autobahn. We spent only 3 days driving in Germany, and of that time, about 4 hours was spent sitting on dead stopped autobahns, especially around Hamburg. Didn't seem to be any shortage of traffic jams in that area.
As for renting a car in one country and dropping it off in another: we needed to do that, and found by far the best rate was with Hertz. The base rate was higher, but by booking it through AAA we did not have to pay a drop fee, so in the end there was a considerable savings.
As for renting a car in one country and dropping it off in another: we needed to do that, and found by far the best rate was with Hertz. The base rate was higher, but by booking it through AAA we did not have to pay a drop fee, so in the end there was a considerable savings.
But as I mentioned earlier, I commuted on A95 (Muenchen-Garmish) and A295 (A95-Starnberg), and there I never found a traffic jam, except for the traffic lights upon arrival in both Muenchen and Starnberg.
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I know Croatia is one example.
That being said, in some European countries you can speed heavily (like 100mbph in 85mph zone) and get away with a 50 euro cash fine.
Goes both ways I guess.
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Renting a car in Europe is easy as most of the posts convey.Returning a car in another country (or even city) comes with a high premium.
Rural driving is pleasant and rewarding, although for the inexperienced high speed autoroutes can be daunting.
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That's an extraordinary malaprop; it's even more ironic than one might think. Cruising over 100 mph on the designated zone of Autobahn won't get you a ticket, but "cursing" very well could result in a fine at any speed!
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Oh, another tidbit of info for the OP...Between some countries (Germany and France comes to mind), the actual border crossings still have gate shacks, so to speak, but they are largely unmanned. I have crossed into France from Germany and saw that the French police (I think) were stopping cars leaving France and spot checking them. This may have been tax police or some other entity. I also remember seeing these border booths going from Luxembourg into Belgium. Germany to Austria, on the other hand, has only a sign.
There are border crossings going into Switzerland, and they are all manned (or were a couple of years ago).
There are border crossings going into Switzerland, and they are all manned (or were a couple of years ago).
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Oh, another tidbit of info for the OP...Between some countries (Germany and France comes to mind), the actual border crossings still have gate shacks, so to speak, but they are largely unmanned. I have crossed into France from Germany and saw that the French police (I think) were stopping cars leaving France and spot checking them. This may have been tax police or some other entity. I also remember seeing these border booths going from Luxembourg into Belgium. Germany to Austria, on the other hand, has only a sign.
There are border crossings going into Switzerland, and they are all manned (or were a couple of years ago).
There are border crossings going into Switzerland, and they are all manned (or were a couple of years ago).
The Swiss-EU borders still exist in their old form, with manned checkpoints.
One last remark regarding the speed on the German Autobahn: Any car with more than 200 hp will go 250 kph (160 mph) or more, and whenever possible their drivers will drive at least between 100 and 150 mph.
For example I usually drive around 120 mph, when there are no traffic jams, but I still want to stay on the right lane as I'm frequently overtaken by sportscars driving faster than 180 mph. Especially on the A81 from Stuttgart to the Swiss border.
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I don't know about the "new" EU members, like Poland, Czech Republik, Slovenia etc., but between the "old" countrys, like France, Germany, Italy etc. there aren't checkpoints anymore, just signs "welcome to...", but this doesn't mean that the border patrol doesn't exsist anymore, specially the border between the Netherlands and Germany is still protected by patrol cars that stop travellers at random, to look for drugs and illegal imigration.
The Swiss-EU borders still exist in their old form, with manned checkpoints.
The Swiss-EU borders still exist in their old form, with manned checkpoints.
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Both countries are old members. I assume the control is because Germany is Schengen while Denmark is Scandanavian. The Scandanavian rules on importation of alcoholic beverages might have something to do with it also.
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Recency of EU membership isn't always the determining factor. Not too many years ago there was still a traditional checkpoint between Germany and Denmark. When I went through all cars entering Denmark were being stopped.
Both countries are old members. I assume the control is because Germany is Schengen while Denmark is Scandanavian. The Scandanavian rules on importation of alcoholic beverages might have something to do with it also.
Both countries are old members. I assume the control is because Germany is Schengen while Denmark is Scandanavian. The Scandanavian rules on importation of alcoholic beverages might have something to do with it also.
If you fly between Germany and Denmark (as this is a flyer forum after all) then your flight would be regarded as a domestic flight.
The fact that Denmark is part of Scandinavia is quite irrelevant.
However all European countries are still sovereign countries and still have the full right to have customs controls at the ports of entry and check whoever whenever they want to, just like any country in the world.
It could be a simple routine control or it could be that they got a tip about possible smuggling, trafficing, illegal immigrants etc.
The rules for the import of alcohol (in most EU countries I think) say you can basically import any amount of alcohol from another EU country as long as it's for personal consumption. If you bring a large quantity for example for a large party/anniversary/wedding etc it may be advisable to bring a proof.
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Appropriate?! Sorry, but not only is it incredibly rude, it's also plain illegal as well as dangerous. And btw, German traffic cops are planning to get much more serious about sanctioning aggressive tailgaters after a couple of well-publicized fatal accidents in the last few years. At least that's what they say, and one would hope they are serious about it. That said, obviously you are supposed to be in the right lane when it is free.
I also wish there was a law that prohibits slow drivers in the left lanes. Maybe there is and it's just not enforced.


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