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GUIDE to redeeming AA miles for Japan Air Lines awards:
For 2012-2015 posts, please see
ARCHIVE: AA Award on JL / JAL / Japan Airlines (master thd)
For 2016-2023 posts, please see: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...16-2023-a.html
For further information, see:
HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on
- JL awards are now shown show and can be booked on aa.com
- AwardNexus (free to FlyerTalk members for basic searches) will also reveal, and (for a fee) alert, on JL award seats
- AA awards on JL must be MileSAAver (AAnytime awards are only available on AA marketed and AA operated flights)
- There are no onerous fuel or carrier-imposed surcharges using AAdvantage miles for awards using JL
- JL initially releases awards to AAvantage members 330 days out at 10:00 am JST time (18:00 PDT, 17:00 PST). Note, JL award inventory is released to members of other FFPs 360 day out and updates award and revenue seat award availability once daily ~09:30-12:00 Pacific time
- JL may release 0-2 F and 0-4 J award seats initially; until taken they remain available up to three months from release
- No further seats are likely to be released until shortly (~14 days) prior to scheduled departure - but the last F seat will be retained for sale, not released into award inventory
- No stopovers are allowed on AA awards. Connections may be as long as 23:59.
- Only JAL Mileage Bank members can waitlist awards
- All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments); these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
- If JL & QF are showing availability, but AA can't see it, try calling the Australia AA center as it may be a point-of-sale issue
For 2012-2015 posts, please see
ARCHIVE: AA Award on JL / JAL / Japan Airlines (master thd)
For 2016-2023 posts, please see: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...16-2023-a.html
For further information, see:
HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on
AAdvantage Award on JL / JAL / Japan Airlines (master thread)
#2596

Join Date: Jan 2025
Posts: 103
Yeah, see, that sounds good, but I don't buy that explanation. If that is truly the major contributor, then why I am I seeing zero availability on EK from US routes to DOH or DXB via AA. I am also seeing zero availability from any US routes to HKG on CX. I am also seeing zero availability from US to Europe on AY. All of these are via AAdvantage. I am also zero availability on QR from US to DOH. And finally close to zero on TN from US to PPT. All of these are for premium cabins via AA.
Something else is at play.
Something else is at play.
For CX, for example, they do not appear to EVER release F awards at any time on any US O/D routes beyond the initial few seats during schedule open, which is available only for CX elites well before AA can book. This is despite literally having plenty of lowest-class F available right before the flight. Similar story with J and Y, even with many seats last minute they would rather gamble on upgrade bids or last minute bookings than releasing award seats. And when they do occasionally get released due to *deeply* empty cabins, I've only seen maybe a few openings for high tier partners like JL IIRC and not AA), and I think a single time ever for AA. So AA is a very, very low availability tier partner for CX, at least on US routes. It's always possible that this is from people with bots so fast that you never see the opening, but I've never seen any internal data
Totally different story for LHR-HKG flights. I routinely see F awards last minute get released (in fact, a lot of the F availability that's shown on CX AsiaMiles is actually a connecting US-BA/AA-LHR-CX-HKG flight), and quite a few open awards probably fly without ever being redeemed. One of my observations was that it's quite rare to ever see a flight take off with any remaining award inventory on some of the popular US routes (when I see USA-TYO, or USA-HKG, it's pretty much always gone by the next time moment I check)
For QR, similar deal. Most premium US inventory (90%+?) is only available directly only QR's program and some select partners. And even then, US-DOH inventory always instantly gets taken, but any other long haul across the world will often remain for some time. I've never seen any inventory also show up on AA, but other OW partners often can't see it either.
For JL, I do think AA more or less has the best inventory, other than on JL's own program. People sometimes get confused because of their dynamic awards, but it's pretty rare to see genuine lowest-award J inventory for US routes even on their own program. One step up from the absolute lowest mileage redemption class gives you a lot more opportunities. You see the same thing when booking AA metal with AA miles, vs using JL/AS/etc. My understanding is AA/JL have a pretty close business relationship because of their codeshare/(joint business?) arrangement on US-Japan routes. The JL program was literally offering double miles for flying on JL-codeshare AA metal recently. It's just extreme premium demand. FWIW, I rarely see any AA flights on CX, even when it's available to QR/EY/AS/QF, so I believe the lack of inventory is mutual there.
Anyway, maybe this is new thing for OW, but I've been seeing it on *A for quite a while. Some *A partners see more ANA inventory, some see less, etc. I've had customer support agents from different airlines explicitly tell you that it's their partners that simply don't release inventory to them.
#2597




Join Date: Nov 2025
Location: DFW
Programs: AAdvantage Platinum Pro, Clube Smiles (Gol)
Posts: 333
Yeah, see, that sounds good, but I don't buy that explanation. If that is truly the major contributor, then why I am I seeing zero availability on EK from US routes to DOH or DXB via AA. I am also seeing zero availability from any US routes to HKG on CX. I am also seeing zero availability from US to Europe on AY. All of these are via AAdvantage. I am also zero availability on QR from US to DOH. And finally close to zero on TN from US to PPT. All of these are for premium cabins via AA.
Something else is at play.
Something else is at play.
Emirates Skywards, Finnair Plus, Cathay Asia Miles, and all of the other Avios flavors all partner with US bank programs, which could be construed to explain why the availability is so terrible through AAdvantage.
#2598




Join Date: Apr 2023
Posts: 71
(/gen) I don't see how that contradicts the narrative of "airline frequent flyer programs partner with transferable points programs, causing own-program redemptions to increase and resulting in higher prices / less availability to partners (especially partners that don't price partner awards dynamically)"
Emirates Skywards, Finnair Plus, Cathay Asia Miles, and all of the other Avios flavors all partner with US bank programs, which could be construed to explain why the availability is so terrible through AAdvantage.
Emirates Skywards, Finnair Plus, Cathay Asia Miles, and all of the other Avios flavors all partner with US bank programs, which could be construed to explain why the availability is so terrible through AAdvantage.
Regarding AA, I am seeing A LOT of phantom availability, as a matter of fact, every single one of the available premium cabin seats are phantom. Some AA agents try doing a "manual long sell", but usually come back negative. Is this what VS also does when you call them to request award access on ANA, by chance (I know it is probably not the forum, but just curious)?
#2599
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend




Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Shanghai
Posts: 46,236
Yeah, the previous response seems to answer my question. I have also noticed that SQ on their own program have also drastically reduced award availability as well, notably on F. Last year there were plenty scattered throughout the year, now there are none on any route (I am running with the assumption of 2x F). Why did they claim dynamic "Access" awards would not change the saver level award availability, when it totally did?
Regarding AA, I am seeing A LOT of phantom availability, as a matter of fact, every single one of the available premium cabin seats are phantom. Some AA agents try doing a "manual long sell", but usually come back negative. Is this what VS also does when you call them to request award access on ANA, by chance (I know it is probably not the forum, but just curious)?
Regarding AA, I am seeing A LOT of phantom availability, as a matter of fact, every single one of the available premium cabin seats are phantom. Some AA agents try doing a "manual long sell", but usually come back negative. Is this what VS also does when you call them to request award access on ANA, by chance (I know it is probably not the forum, but just curious)?
#2600




Join Date: Apr 2023
Posts: 71
Edit: So it turns out you are somewhat correct, however there are still plenty of phantom award. I was able to put two J tickets on hold SEA-YVR-NRT via AS and JAL on hold for 24 hours. What are my chances of getting 2 F on JAL via AA, or should I expect only 2 for J and 1 at most for F via AA, US routes?
Last edited by richardcrow; Mar 3, 2026 at 9:07 pm
#2602




Join Date: May 2006
Location: SAN
Programs: Lots of faux metal
Posts: 7,000
In addition to seeing A LOT of phantom availability I'm also see made up options that aren't possible. For example, seeing F award on SGN-HND-KIX-LAX and none of the flights have F cabins, unless you count the domestic F on the hour flight from HND-KIX. But, it also shows J availability on the same route, so I'm not sure what it is trying to say is "F".
#2603



Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Programs: DL PM - IC RA - HHonors Gold - Hertz Gold - AA - US - CO - Choice Privileges
Posts: 2,081
In addition to seeing A LOT of phantom availability I'm also see made up options that aren't possible. For example, seeing F award on SGN-HND-KIX-LAX and none of the flights have F cabins, unless you count the domestic F on the hour flight from HND-KIX. But, it also shows J availability on the same route, so I'm not sure what it is trying to say is "F".
#2604



Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Programs: DL PM - IC RA - HHonors Gold - Hertz Gold - AA - US - CO - Choice Privileges
Posts: 2,081
If this was the case, it currently is not. I have searched every single one of these itineraries and nothing came up. I did nonstop as well as with multiple stops. Nothing. There were some that came up in F and J, all phantom. Every single one.
Edit: So it turns out you are somewhat correct, however there are still plenty of phantom award. I was able to put two J tickets on hold SEA-YVR-NRT via AS and JAL on hold for 24 hours. What are my chances of getting 2 F on JAL via AA, or should I expect only 2 for J and 1 at most for F via AA, US routes?
Edit: So it turns out you are somewhat correct, however there are still plenty of phantom award. I was able to put two J tickets on hold SEA-YVR-NRT via AS and JAL on hold for 24 hours. What are my chances of getting 2 F on JAL via AA, or should I expect only 2 for J and 1 at most for F via AA, US routes?
#2605




Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: TYO / WAS / NYC
Programs: American Express got a hit man lookin' for me
Posts: 5,253
More specifically, you have to avoid combining AA flights with JL flights. Connecting itineraries entirely on JL metal won't be phantom, in general.
#2606




Join Date: May 2006
Location: SAN
Programs: Lots of faux metal
Posts: 7,000
AS.com seems to do a much better job showing actual availability that is bookable. Was able to snag 4 seats in PE for SAN-SFO(AS)-HND-BKK using AS miles that AA.com didn't show. I know: different program, different availability, but I would much rather be able to get seats than be shown something that doesn't actually exist.
Last edited by skunker; Mar 5, 2026 at 7:41 pm
#2608
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AA EXP; UA 1MM & PP; Marriott AMB; Hyatt Globalist; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 62,039
Phantom JL availability has been a big problem the past week or so. It's more prevalent when AA offers a connecting itinerary but it's also showing up for nonstops. It does help if you know the aircraft (i.e., no F on the 789).
Note though that AA has better access to JL availability than AS, so you may be limiting options when searching on AS. Best course is to search both I guess.
Note though that AA has better access to JL availability than AS, so you may be limiting options when searching on AS. Best course is to search both I guess.
#2610




Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WAS/TYO
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP (3MM), DL PM, BONVOY TITANIUM, HYATT GLOBALIST, HILTON DIAMOND, IHG DIAMOND AMB, et al
Posts: 6,258
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