Mar 27, 2025, 1:59 am
Last edit by: ATLCDG
Welcome to the main Air France La Premičre thread.
In this wiki, you will find schedule, seat maps and network.
(Last updated April 2025).
For historical, technical, strategy and future network content, look in this thread.
La Premičre is available if you are flying to New York City (JFK), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington DC, Miami, Sao Paulo, Abidjan, Dubai, Singapore, and Tokyo (HND). All flights are in / out of Paris CDG.
You will find La Premičre on the following flights:
During DST = Until 26th of October 2025
Between US and EU DST = Between 26th of October and 2nd of November 2025
After DST (Winter) = After 2nd of November
Peak Season = June, July, August
NEW YORK (JFK) (3X to 5X DAILY)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO JFK
AF2 08:30 - 10:30
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK :
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:00+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 14:00
AF6 13:30 - 17:10
AF8 16:30 - 20:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 17:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 19:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 22:30. - 10:50+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO JFK :
AF4 10:30 - 13:00
AF6 13:30 - 16:10
AF8 16:30 - 19:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 16:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 18:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 21:30 - 10:50+1
Notes on the JFK operations:
The flagship flights are AF4, AF6 and AF8. Note that this route is heavily subject to last minute aircraft changes. Even on flagship 777 routes. Downgrades have been reported multiple times.
LOS ANGELES (LAX) (2X to 3X Daily)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO LAX
AF20 08:45 - 11:20
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX
AF21 13:40 - 09:30+1
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20 +1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO LAX :
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX :
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
BETWEEN EU AND US DST
TO LAX :
AF22 10:15 - 14:05
AF24 13:20 - 17:10
FROM LAX :
AF23 16:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 19:30 - 14:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO LAX:
AF22 10:15 - 13:05
AF24 13:20 - 16:10
FROM LAX:
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
SAN FRANCISCO (SFO)
DURING DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:20 - 12:50
FROM SFO
AF83 15:05 - 10:55+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 14:10
FROM SFO
AF83 16:25 - 11:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 13:10
FROM SFO
AF83 15:25 - 11:20+1
WASHINGTON (IAD)
DURING DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:45 - 16:20
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:15+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 17:15
FROM IAD :
AF51 19:30 - 08:00+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 16:15
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:00+1
MIAMI (MIA)
DURING EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 10:25 - 14:15
FROM MIA
AF91 16:35 - 07:35+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 18:30
FROM MIA
AF91 20:50 - 10:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 17:30
FROM MIA
AF91 19:50 - 10:45+1
SAO PAULO (GRU)
MAJOR SCHEDULE CHANGE
DURING EU DST (BEFORE 30TH OF JUNE 2025) :
TO GRU
AF460 10:10 - 17:00
FROM GRU
AF459 19:15 - 11:15+1
DURING EU DST (STARTING 30TH OF JUNE 2025):
TO GRU
AF454 23:30 - 06:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:55+1
AFTER EU DST (Winter) :
TO GRU
AF454 23:20 - 07:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:05+1
Notes on GRU operations :
The La Premičre service is removed from the day flight and added to the night flight to GRU starting 30th of June.
ABIDJAN (ABJ)
DURING EU DST
TO ABJ
AF702 14:10 - 18:30
FROM ABJ
AF703 21:05 - 05:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO ABJ
AF702 14:35 - 19:55
FROM ABJ
AF703 22:15 - 05:45+1
DUBAI (DXB)
DURING EU DST
TO DXB
AF662 13:40 - 22:35
FROM DXB
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO DXB
AF662 13:35 - 23:20
FROM DXB
AF665 01:30 - 06:25
SINGAPORE (SIN)
DURING EU DST
TO SIN
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:35 - 06:10+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SIN
AF256 21:05 - 16:55+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:55 - 06:10+1
TOKYO (HND)
DURING EU DST
TO HND
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
FROM HND
AF293 00:05 - 08:00 (3x Weekly)
AF279 22:05 - 06:00+1 (4x Weekly)
AFTER DST (Winter) :
TO HND
AF274 21:55 - 19:25+1
FROM HND
AF293 01:00 - 07:55
Note on HND operations:
AF279 and AF293 is the same return flight of AF274, under two different numbers due to the slots being allocated on the same day; 4x weekly it returns before midnight as AF279, three times weekly after midnight, it returns as AF293.
LA PREMIČRE
FLEET & SCHEDULE
La Premičre cabin is installed on 25 Boeing 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D/E/H/K/P/Q, and R).
Seat maps of Boeing 777-300ER with La Premičre (copyright aeroLOPA)
(click here for original site)
Version 1 ("Old" La Premičre):
Version 2 ("New" La Premičre):
(F-GSQC/E/F/L/K/Y and F-GZND/E/H/K/P/Q/R)
This La Premičre map was created using Travel-Dealz flight map tool (copyright / creative commons), to create a new one in the future if a new destination opens, click here.
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated as P service) included Beirut, Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Mexico, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (And has previously switched from the morning to the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
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Schedule and route map content by on.the.bowery (Last update: April 2025).
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Premičre, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Premičre, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
March 2025 - New La Premičre
Oct 22, 2025 | 12:38 pm
#781
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 143
Other planes are sent to BOD to conduct C checks if D is not required then.
Oct 22, 2025 | 12:50 pm
#782
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 20
Thank you. Where do you get this info ? Who is tracking this info?
Last edited by Cavman1; Oct 22, 2025 at 12:54 pm Reason: deleting post
Oct 22, 2025 | 10:06 pm
#783
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: here and there...
Posts: 4,358
TLV, HND and MIA this winter
"From 15 December 2025 to 28 March 2026, Air France will introduce its La Premičre cabin on daily flights between Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Tel Aviv, operated by a Boeing 777-300ER."
https://www.afkl.biz/trade/s/news-de..._US&country=FR
"Finally, the new La Premičre suite now available on select flights to New York–JFK, Singapore, and Los Angeles, and coming soon to Miami and Tokyo Haneda. "
https://www.afkl.biz/trade/s/news-de..._US&country=FR
"From 15 December 2025 to 28 March 2026, Air France will introduce its La Premičre cabin on daily flights between Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Tel Aviv, operated by a Boeing 777-300ER."
https://www.afkl.biz/trade/s/news-de..._US&country=FR
"Finally, the new La Premičre suite now available on select flights to New York–JFK, Singapore, and Los Angeles, and coming soon to Miami and Tokyo Haneda. "
https://www.afkl.biz/trade/s/news-de..._US&country=FR
There’s no reference to TLV getting the new suite: just La Premičre service. Surprisingly it seems to be for four months only - perhaps to test the market?
Oct 23, 2025 | 7:17 am
#784
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: CDG
Programs: A bit of this and a bit of that
Posts: 806
Has anyone been to the arrivals lounge recently?
How’s the food and drinks selection these days? I’ll be landing around midday with a long layover in Paris, and I’m debating whether to have lunch there or in Paris instead.
How’s the food and drinks selection these days? I’ll be landing around midday with a long layover in Paris, and I’m debating whether to have lunch there or in Paris instead.
Oct 23, 2025 | 7:19 am
#785
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New York
Programs: Lots
Posts: 723
Unfortunately the TLV service really is timed poorly. Departs at 8am from CDG making inbound connections difficult. In TLV it departs at 16:55 and arrives 19:40 making US bound connections impossible. Alas I will have to stick with LY. I had a trip in march from LAX-TLV-JFK which I wanted to switch to La P but would require 12+ hour connections in CDG.
Oct 23, 2025 | 8:36 am
#786
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Programs: AA Million Miler, Mosaic, Delta Platinum
Posts: 1,854
I was there last month. The menu was like a micro version of the main lounge menu. I had the coquillettes, but it's really a pretty sterile waystation - not much to keep you occupied during a long layover. I'd go into the city if the layover is long.
Oct 24, 2025 | 6:08 am
#787
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: ZRH / SIN
Programs: FB Ultimate Platinum for life, TK *Gold, Bonvoy Ambassador Elite, Accor Diamond
Posts: 709
Unfortunately the TLV service really is timed poorly. Departs at 8am from CDG making inbound connections difficult. In TLV it departs at 16:55 and arrives 19:40 making US bound connections impossible. Alas I will have to stick with LY. I had a trip in march from LAX-TLV-JFK which I wanted to switch to La P but would require 12+ hour connections in CDG.
Oct 24, 2025 | 9:17 am
#788
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Limitless / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,338
Normally you have the full menu of LP lounge except the beef
Oct 24, 2025 | 9:50 am
#789
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Franche Comté, FR, Atlanta, USA
Programs: DL DM-3MM, BA Gold, A3 Gold, AF Plat
Posts: 636
Oct 24, 2025 | 2:50 pm
#790
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: VIE
Programs: AFKL Platinum, SAS EBG (STE+), TK Elite (*G), Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,364
Oct 24, 2025 | 3:48 pm
#791
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: Flying Blue Ultimate, DL Platinum, JetBlue Mosaic 4, AA ExecPlat, Hyatt Globalist, Sixt Diamond
Posts: 2,936
I recall from a previous visit that the LP lounge offers the full menu at breakfast time, as well. However, this was pre-pandemic, and knowing things change and get ahem, enhanced, I was wondering if that's still the case? I'll have a 6 AM arrival and a 10:40 departure to SFO and a man needs a steak.
Oct 25, 2025 | 1:20 am
#792
Join Date: Aug 2023
Location: Western Europe
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum
Posts: 314
I recall from a previous visit that the LP lounge offers the full menu at breakfast time, as well. However, this was pre-pandemic, and knowing things change and get ahem, enhanced, I was wondering if that's still the case? I'll have a 6 AM arrival and a 10:40 departure to SFO and a man needs a steak.
The full menu seemed to be available.
Last edited by Lemonwings; Oct 25, 2025 at 5:20 am
Oct 25, 2025 | 1:51 pm
#793
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: The World! Home Base = DCA/IAD + CPT (2026)
Programs: HHonors, Hyatt GP, Marriott, Varying Levels w/ AF / EK / SQ
Posts: 2,722
La Premičre Maison Sisley Soins & Beauté Menu
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Last edited by TravelinWilly; Oct 30, 2025 at 7:12 am Reason: Crappy FT Formatting Issues
Oct 26, 2025 | 6:40 pm
#794
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: New York
Programs: EK Platinum, DL DM, AA EXP, UA Gold, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,555
Apologies, had to push my departure a few days. Traveling tonight, will report back tomorrow.
On a side note, when did they get rid of LPGS in the JFK LP lounge? The current Brut is Drappier or something, I wasn’t a fan.
The whole LP lounge here is an interesting concept. A tiny room of strangers where you can hear a pin drop.
With how slow the service has been so far (asked for bread when I placed my order 30min ago, still nothing), I think I’d rather be outside with the J pax!
On a side note, when did they get rid of LPGS in the JFK LP lounge? The current Brut is Drappier or something, I wasn’t a fan.
The whole LP lounge here is an interesting concept. A tiny room of strangers where you can hear a pin drop.
With how slow the service has been so far (asked for bread when I placed my order 30min ago, still nothing), I think I’d rather be outside with the J pax!
