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Old May 22, 2025 | 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Boraxo
However the flip side is that some upgrades will now be cheaper as they will match the cash price.
Unlikely that will happen with any frequency at all. How many times do you see I or IN for long-haul below the former saver rate?

Originally Posted by as219
As things stand now, between lack of PZ space and FCM/TOD, it doesn't matter what the MUA cost is, you're not getting the upgrade.
That is simply incorrect. There are long-haul routes with lots of advance PZ. I've redeemed four of these in 2025.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Unlikely that will happen with any frequency at all. How many times do you see I or IN for long-haul below the former saver rate?.
I have no idea as I don't shop I/IN. To. be fair my experience is with domestic routes on DL, where the upgrade pricing is often much cheaper than I see on UA or AS. So this scheme may offer value for UA flyers who don't get automatic/free E+ seats on domestic flights.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 1:54 pm
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I'm learning to feel a sense of dread when I get an email from MileagePlus with the word "update" in it. 🙁
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Old May 22, 2025 | 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by sannmann
I see no way United would value miles any more than one cent each here.
UA recently started offering miles as a form of payment for "cash" confirmable upgrades / Premium Cabin Upgrades (PCU) @ 1 cpm
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Old May 22, 2025 | 2:07 pm
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Well, given that the existing "upgrade" awards were almost never actually available , it would be interesting to see what they actually price at.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by sannmann
This effectively ends upgrade awards. If they go dynamic, United is just going to price them as if they were a refare into the higher cabin anyways. Eliminates any reason not to just buy the higher cabin outright.
Especially if the refare is a guaranteed upgrade whereas MUA is waitlist.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
The key distinguishing factor is that I almost exclusively travel on one-ways, so it never really came into play for me.
Originally Posted by mahasamatman
Only in very limited cases. I never found a use for it.
The cases are myriad for anyone who travels outside of a single zone. For example, currently you can book SIN-HKG in I for 35K miles. Or, you can book something like SFO-AUS, SIN-HKG, AUS-ATL for 45K miles if SFO-AUS is in IN/I and AUS-ATL is in X. I went several years where my redemptions followed the pattern of “identify a region where I need an award, then sandwich that with trips I’ve already planned to take.”

This surely isn’t what UA intended, and I’m not surprised they’re tightening the rules, but I am a bit surprised they dumped it entirely. All they really needed to do was to stipulate that the first and last legs needed to be interregional and most of the creative uses would disappear.

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Old May 22, 2025 | 3:08 pm
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How will this effect *A upgrades? One of my biggest usages was on Southeast Aisian PY trips via NRT/HND, I'd end up in B on the 7 hour flight and could upgrade for 10k. Glad I only have 40k miles left TBH.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by entropy
Well, given that the existing "upgrade" awards were almost never actually available , it would be interesting to see what they actually price at.
Originally Posted by drewguy
Especially if the refare is a guaranteed upgrade whereas MUA is waitlist.
This has been my experience as of lately. Ever since the pay with "Money and Miles" option came along, I've found zero PZ space on international long haul when I book nearly 8 months out. Also, I've occasionally found that the mileage rate of the "miles" portion of the payment makes the miles worth less than 1cpm. Note that I'm looking for international Polaris only..

My lowest redemption rate so far is a 2.8cpm rate, but I see that coming to an end by the time I make my next redemption.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 5:26 pm
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I'm guessing this is tied to the rollout of the studio suites...
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Old May 22, 2025 | 5:58 pm
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Originally Posted by escapefromphl
I'm worried it's going to hurt my strategy of buying cheap PE R fares (like $1500-$1700 RT) and then paying 20K + ~ $450 to upgrade to Polaris. I'm 8 for 8 on these so far but if they blow up the value I will look elsewhere.
Originally Posted by Boraxo
Can't beat that success ratio. How many of these cleared at time of purchase, and if not then when did they clear?
Because the mileage upgrades have been much less useful to those of us who don't gamble on being stuck in PE.
Originally Posted by hellolaurent
RIP Mileage Upgrade Awards.

I had a good time upgrading my Y fares to Polaris for 15-20k miles with no co-pay. Curious to see what they'll be quoting now. Most likely the cash upgrade price reflected in miles, valued at 1 cent a mile so cheapest cash upgrade I ever saw at 599$ will be an easy 59k miles despite your 3k last minute TATL Y fare...
Originally Posted by Boraxo
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously this will be bad for anyone who currently receives outsized value from fixed-price mileage upgrades. However the flip side is that some upgrades will now be cheaper as they will match the cash price.

I can see how this would be a big loss to flyers who enjoy using fixed-price upgrades for TATL/TPAC, but this was never a useful perk to me as I don't fly paid Y on those routes.
Originally Posted by as219
I really don't understand the angst in this thread. The problem isn't increasing the RDM cost of MUAs; the problem is not opening PZ space. As things stand now, between lack of PZ space and FCM/TOD, it doesn't matter what the MUA cost is, you're not getting the upgrade.
Originally Posted by entropy
Well, given that the existing "upgrade" awards were almost never actually available , it would be interesting to see what they actually price at.

For those of you who don't get why some of us are so upset about these "niche" use cases, here's a counterpoint: I fly ORD-LHR several times each year, and I have so far had a 100% success rate in having my MileagePlus Upgrade Awards clear.

This route was exclusively operated by a high-J 763 (as is EWR-LHR), with 46 Polaris seats in a 167-seat jet, and you could pretty much guarantee enough PZ seats opening up close to departure (maybe with the exception of some extreme peak travel days like special holidays).

If you booked B class (which used to be very expensive in the past but is now priced at about $200 more each way over the cheapest non-basic economy fare), the upgrade cost was 20,000 miles with zero co-pay (although you had to pay $128 UK departure taxes on the return leg).

So for about $550 + 40,000 miles round trip, you could have an almost guaranteed upgrade from the cheapest non-basic economy fare to Polaris. That was truly exceptional value (the cheapest cash upgrade was usually around $1800 RT), and there was very little risk of being stuck in Economy Plus.

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Old May 22, 2025 | 6:10 pm
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I rely on MUA once my PlusPoints run out, usually around this time-of-year.
Going to be tough, if MUA is out of reach.

Hopefully pricing to China will finally drop to reasonable levels again as this is implemented by UA....but I am doubtful.

Not looking forward to 2026.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 7:16 pm
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Originally Posted by jsloan
The cases are myriad for anyone who travels outside of a single zone. For example, currently you can book SIN-HKG in I for 35K miles. Or, you can book something like SFO-AUS, SIN-HKG, AUS-ATL for 45K miles if SFO-AUS is in IN/I and AUS-ATL is in X. I went several years where my redemptions followed the pattern of identify a region where I need an award, then sandwich that with trips Ive already planned to take.
Very much an edge case.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 7:20 pm
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, I've found zero PZ space on international long haul when I book nearly 8 months out. Also
As you should, With 8 months to find someone to buy J for cash, why would any airline give away J for miles or certs?

This is where we are headed, the only debate is when we will get there.

J will be come occupied with cash paying customers, only, because they can.

Earn nd burn, or be burned.

This is just Capitalism. It sucks, but it sucks the least of the alternatives.
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Old May 22, 2025 | 7:45 pm
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Yeah midweek TPAC west coast - PVG/HKG seems to usually fully clear their upgrade list from the times I track the upgrade list.

Myself I'm 1/1 on a midweek, 0/1 on the weekend (which ended up offering a superior same-day buyup anyway if valuing at 1cpp). I guess the best we can hope for is to match the same-day buyup now?
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