Points booking available, but no 1-7 award availability?
#1
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Points booking available, but no 1-7 award availability?
Short story long:
I am trying to book a couple of nights in Mallorca for an Anniversary trip later this year.
There are two separate properties I am interested in. I have 2x 1-7 FNAs.
One property is a Cat 6, new to Hyatt. Up until about a week ago it was showing points availability for the dates I am looking at.
The other is a Award Category D. It is currently showing points availability for my dates.
I've been getting the runaround for almost 2 months from Hyatt customer support. Every time I have reached out with my case number to follow up, I get the same answer of "just keep waiting and checking back". I've been told "these hotels have opted out of using Cat 1-7 awards" (Really? That's not an option and is nowhere in the terms and conditions unless they are on the aforementioned ineligible property list). Every time I get an agent who states this, I ask them to escalate and get the aforementioned response to "check back in a few days". Both of these hotels are clearly in violation of the Hyatt terms and conditions by not allowing 1-7 certs to be used, and it amazes me that Hyatt can't seem to do anything about it to force the bookings through. Is there an elevated Hyatt customer support contact that anyone has had luck with to get a hotel to adhere to the terms and conditions?
I have even suggested that Hyatt trade my certs for 35k points each so I can just go ahead and book the Cat D before it sells out, since it is at least showing points availability. But they refuse and tell me that I'll need to use the certs before they expire. I was gifted these certificates specifically for this anniversary trip and I'd like to be able to make use of them. There's no Cat 6-7 properties near us and we won't really have a chance to use them anywhere else before they expire.
I am trying to book a couple of nights in Mallorca for an Anniversary trip later this year.
There are two separate properties I am interested in. I have 2x 1-7 FNAs.
One property is a Cat 6, new to Hyatt. Up until about a week ago it was showing points availability for the dates I am looking at.
The other is a Award Category D. It is currently showing points availability for my dates.
- Both are showing standard room availability for my dates.
- Neither are allowing me to book using my 1-7 Certs.
- Neither are on the "Standard-room Award Ineligible Property" list.
I've been getting the runaround for almost 2 months from Hyatt customer support. Every time I have reached out with my case number to follow up, I get the same answer of "just keep waiting and checking back". I've been told "these hotels have opted out of using Cat 1-7 awards" (Really? That's not an option and is nowhere in the terms and conditions unless they are on the aforementioned ineligible property list). Every time I get an agent who states this, I ask them to escalate and get the aforementioned response to "check back in a few days". Both of these hotels are clearly in violation of the Hyatt terms and conditions by not allowing 1-7 certs to be used, and it amazes me that Hyatt can't seem to do anything about it to force the bookings through. Is there an elevated Hyatt customer support contact that anyone has had luck with to get a hotel to adhere to the terms and conditions?
I have even suggested that Hyatt trade my certs for 35k points each so I can just go ahead and book the Cat D before it sells out, since it is at least showing points availability. But they refuse and tell me that I'll need to use the certs before they expire. I was gifted these certificates specifically for this anniversary trip and I'd like to be able to make use of them. There's no Cat 6-7 properties near us and we won't really have a chance to use them anywhere else before they expire.
#2


Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 150
Short story long:
I am trying to book a couple of nights in Mallorca for an Anniversary trip later this year.
There are two separate properties I am interested in. I have 2x 1-7 FNAs.
One property is a Cat 6, new to Hyatt. Up until about a week ago it was showing points availability for the dates I am looking at.
The other is a Award Category D. It is currently showing points availability for my dates.
I've been getting the runaround for almost 2 months from Hyatt customer support. Every time I have reached out with my case number to follow up, I get the same answer of "just keep waiting and checking back". I've been told "these hotels have opted out of using Cat 1-7 awards" (Really? That's not an option and is nowhere in the terms and conditions unless they are on the aforementioned ineligible property list). Every time I get an agent who states this, I ask them to escalate and get the aforementioned response to "check back in a few days". Both of these hotels are clearly in violation of the Hyatt terms and conditions by not allowing 1-7 certs to be used, and it amazes me that Hyatt can't seem to do anything about it to force the bookings through. Is there an elevated Hyatt customer support contact that anyone has had luck with to get a hotel to adhere to the terms and conditions?
I have even suggested that Hyatt trade my certs for 35k points each so I can just go ahead and book the Cat D before it sells out, since it is at least showing points availability. But they refuse and tell me that I'll need to use the certs before they expire. I was gifted these certificates specifically for this anniversary trip and I'd like to be able to make use of them. There's no Cat 6-7 properties near us and we won't really have a chance to use them anywhere else before they expire.
I am trying to book a couple of nights in Mallorca for an Anniversary trip later this year.
There are two separate properties I am interested in. I have 2x 1-7 FNAs.
One property is a Cat 6, new to Hyatt. Up until about a week ago it was showing points availability for the dates I am looking at.
The other is a Award Category D. It is currently showing points availability for my dates.
- Both are showing standard room availability for my dates.
- Neither are allowing me to book using my 1-7 Certs.
- Neither are on the "Standard-room Award Ineligible Property" list.
I've been getting the runaround for almost 2 months from Hyatt customer support. Every time I have reached out with my case number to follow up, I get the same answer of "just keep waiting and checking back". I've been told "these hotels have opted out of using Cat 1-7 awards" (Really? That's not an option and is nowhere in the terms and conditions unless they are on the aforementioned ineligible property list). Every time I get an agent who states this, I ask them to escalate and get the aforementioned response to "check back in a few days". Both of these hotels are clearly in violation of the Hyatt terms and conditions by not allowing 1-7 certs to be used, and it amazes me that Hyatt can't seem to do anything about it to force the bookings through. Is there an elevated Hyatt customer support contact that anyone has had luck with to get a hotel to adhere to the terms and conditions?
I have even suggested that Hyatt trade my certs for 35k points each so I can just go ahead and book the Cat D before it sells out, since it is at least showing points availability. But they refuse and tell me that I'll need to use the certs before they expire. I was gifted these certificates specifically for this anniversary trip and I'd like to be able to make use of them. There's no Cat 6-7 properties near us and we won't really have a chance to use them anywhere else before they expire.
It is usually in the Terms if a Hotel has opted out of using 1-7 awards - there are certain hotels that you cannot use a SUA.
My guess is the FNA slots have already been taken.
I dont think your case is going anywhere unless you can prove that they are blocking off the 1-7 award use. One way to prove this is to call Hyatt and ask them to look 13 months to the day out (and ask them if there is 1-7 award availability on their end - they can see if there are up to 9 award nights available from their side. IF there is 0 - then that means someone booked them up in the morning prior to you calling or the hotel has blocked them off.
#3
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My understanding from Hyatt is just because it shows "Point Avail" it doesn't mean that there is "Free Night Award Avail". You would think they go hand and hand, but I assume there is probably a lower reimbursement rate for the Free Night Awards (1-4 and 1-7), then there is for a points booking - but that is just speculation on my part.
It is usually in the Terms if a Hotel has opted out of using 1-7 awards - there are certain hotels that you cannot use a SUA.
My guess is the FNA slots have already been taken.
I dont think your case is going anywhere unless you can prove that they are blocking off the 1-7 award use. One way to prove this is to call Hyatt and ask them to look 13 months to the day out (and ask them if there is 1-7 award availability on their end - they can see if there are up to 9 award nights available from their side. IF there is 0 - then that means someone booked them up in the morning prior to you calling or the hotel has blocked them off.
It is usually in the Terms if a Hotel has opted out of using 1-7 awards - there are certain hotels that you cannot use a SUA.
My guess is the FNA slots have already been taken.
I dont think your case is going anywhere unless you can prove that they are blocking off the 1-7 award use. One way to prove this is to call Hyatt and ask them to look 13 months to the day out (and ask them if there is 1-7 award availability on their end - they can see if there are up to 9 award nights available from their side. IF there is 0 - then that means someone booked them up in the morning prior to you calling or the hotel has blocked them off.
From the Hyatt terms page:
(C) one (1) standard-room Free Night Award redeemable at a category 1-7 hotel or resort or an all-inclusive hotel or resort classified as category A-D in Hyatts award chart for all-inclusive properties (Category 1-7 Free Night Award). (A list of participating hotels and resorts, sorted by category, can be found at hyatt.com). The Category 1-7 Free Night Award is valid for one hundred and eighty (180) days from the date of issuance and must be redeemed for a reservation with a checkout date on or before the expiration of the award. Redemption of a Category 1-7 Free Night Award is subject to standard-room availability at the selected hotel or resort and to all redemption terms generally applicable to Award Reservations as set out above in this Appendix B. Except as expressly set forth in this section, a Category 1-7 Free Night Award is not valid at any property that is classified by Hyatt (in its sole discretion) in a category higher than category 7 or is not classified in the category 1-8 classification system (except as expressly specified above for all-inclusive properties categorized in categories A to D of Hyatts award chart for all-inclusive properties), at any of the Standard-room Award Ineligible Properties, or at Miraval locations. Hyatt reserves the right to reclassify any hotel or resort at any time for any reason in its sole discretion. May not be redeemable where a hotel or resort imposes a minimum-length-of-stay requirement. Other Free Night Awards, including those valid at category 1-7 hotels and resorts, may have different expiration and other applicable terms.
1. Standard-Room Free Night Awards: Standard-room Free Night Awards may be redeemed only when standard rooms are available at the Standard Rate at the selected hotel or resort. Standard-room Free Night Awards are not subject to blackout dates at Hyatt hotels and resorts. No Standard-room Free Night Award (whether acquired via points expenditure or through any other Program activity) is redeemable at any of the following properties, which do not offer standard-room accommodations and are referred to collectively as the Standard-room Award Ineligible Properties:
Residences at Grand Hyatt Deer Valley
Hyatt Windward Pointe;
Hyatt Beach House;
Residences at Park Hyatt Beaver Creek;
Hyatt Sierra Lodge;
Hyatt Siesta Key Beach;
Ventana Campground
The Chatwal Lodge
Any Destination by Hyatt Residence property, except as otherwise specified in the Destination by Hyatt Residence Award Terms.
Residences at Grand Hyatt Deer Valley
Hyatt Windward Pointe;
Hyatt Beach House;
Residences at Park Hyatt Beaver Creek;
Hyatt Sierra Lodge;
Hyatt Siesta Key Beach;
Ventana Campground
The Chatwal Lodge
Any Destination by Hyatt Residence property, except as otherwise specified in the Destination by Hyatt Residence Award Terms.
a) a 'standard room' is available to book at a 'standard rate' and
b) the hotel is not on the above list
then the award should be able to be used, regardless if the hotel has decided that they want to allow 'free night award availability'. But I'm trying to figure out if I am mistaken.
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I'm pretty sure that's what they are doing. When I've been on the phone the agent has been able to see point availability but no award availability at all for any dates at either hotel. I'd like to think it's just a system error and not more malicious but somehow they are blocked off.
From the Hyatt terms page:
and
So, it should seem that as long as
a) a 'standard room' is available to book at a 'standard rate' and
b) the hotel is not on the above list
then the award should be able to be used, regardless if the hotel has decided that they want to allow 'free night award availability'. But I'm trying to figure out if I am mistaken.
From the Hyatt terms page:
and
So, it should seem that as long as
a) a 'standard room' is available to book at a 'standard rate' and
b) the hotel is not on the above list
then the award should be able to be used, regardless if the hotel has decided that they want to allow 'free night award availability'. But I'm trying to figure out if I am mistaken.
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1) Ask them what a standard room is at Sareno De Muro that is able to be booked with points or FNA
2) Ask if there are black out dates? (Answer is No).
3) Ask them if there are those type of standard rooms available on your day that you are looking to go. (you know they are)
4)Ask to speak to a supervisor
4) Ask them if they think the hotel is blocking off the rooms or why they aren't allowing you to book and why Hyatt is blatantly allowing the hotel to be in violation of the TOS.
5) Ask what would happen if you blatanty violated the TOS of Hyatt's Program?
6) Ask why they dont hold the hotel accountable and how we can solve this issue.
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I would call Hyatt and walk them down the path.
1) Ask them what a standard room is at Sareno De Muro that is able to be booked with points or FNA
2) Ask if there are black out dates? (Answer is No).
3) Ask them if there are those type of standard rooms available on your day that you are looking to go. (you know they are)
4)Ask to speak to a supervisor
4) Ask them if they think the hotel is blocking off the rooms or why they aren't allowing you to book and why Hyatt is blatantly allowing the hotel to be in violation of the TOS.
5) Ask what would happen if you blatanty violated the TOS of Hyatt's Program?
6) Ask why they dont hold the hotel accountable and how we can solve this issue.
1) Ask them what a standard room is at Sareno De Muro that is able to be booked with points or FNA
2) Ask if there are black out dates? (Answer is No).
3) Ask them if there are those type of standard rooms available on your day that you are looking to go. (you know they are)
4)Ask to speak to a supervisor
4) Ask them if they think the hotel is blocking off the rooms or why they aren't allowing you to book and why Hyatt is blatantly allowing the hotel to be in violation of the TOS.
5) Ask what would happen if you blatanty violated the TOS of Hyatt's Program?
6) Ask why they dont hold the hotel accountable and how we can solve this issue.
#11


Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 150
So I've done everything you've outlined above and been given a 'case number' with Hyatt, with assurance that they are 'diligently working on it'. I call them about once a week to check in on it with no updates. Do you have any suggestions on how to proceed at this point?




