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Old Jan 17, 2025, 1:58 am
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This post and Google document was created by @maxgun in a separate thread which has been merged in this thread. Their original post is now number 714 in this thread. Adding this document link to the Wiki so that it does not get lost and serves as a living evolving document. golfmad

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Hi all, sharing a guide I put together with some analysis of the best alternative OW programs to BAEC - hope this helps!

Please do give me any feedback or corrections if I missed anything.

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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by TheSYDTraveller
People need to be mindful of MH Z class and specific routes between Asia/ME and Europe (see the links above for routes) that will earn significantly less than what you might expect. As an example, QF don't have a great relationship with QR and actively punish it's members for flying them. Flying from Western Europe to Doha will earn you less than flying to Sri Lanka. But flying from Doha to South East Asia earns you more than flying from Europe to Doha. Here are some examples in J:
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  • DOH-SIN on QR 100SC
  • LHR-CMB on UL 120SC
  • DOH-AKL on QR 80SC
So you can see it's not really distance based for certain routes.

The focus would be similar to BA where multi-segment short hops are better for earn. It works incredibly well for intra-Asia/Europe especially flights between 251-750 (40SC) and 751-1500 (60SC) and 1500-2000 (80SC). It's been a while since I did a non-Aus based SC run so I'm fairly out of the loop. About 10 years ago the first time I achieved QF WP, I did BKK-KUL-HKG 4 times b2b over a week for under $2500 AUD during that time. That doesn't include positioning and what not but just an example what can be achieved.

As an FYI, there has been talk of a recent survey on potential revenue base status for QF but the Australian market is very different so most people don't expect something as drastic as what BA has done.
QF consistently under-reward Status Credits for any flights with OW partners, choosing instead to lock FFers into flying QF or EK metal.
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 4:58 pm
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Ive done my homework, and my annual air travel spending (before taxes) typically runs between 25K and 35K. In the past, that would have qualified me for BAEC Gold. However, because about half of my flights are on oneworld partners (that now award a paltry 12.5% of the actual miles flown) my total Tier Points end up around 15K .
My travel patterns are enough to get me into the top tiers with both AA and AS, but since Im SEA-based, and given Alaskas impressive list of non-oneworld partners (like SQ, KE, and LA), Ive decided to go with them. I just applied (and was approved) for their credit card, and Im about to book my first trip on their website.
Ill lose domestic lounge access, but thats not a huge loss considering the state of most lounges outside of LAX, MIA, ORD, and JFK. Plus, I still have Priority Pass if I ever need a reminder of how busy and basic US lounges are.
Honestly, Im grateful BA nudged me out of my comfort zone, because Ive discovered how many more perks I can get elsewhere. For instance, with AS MVP Gold 100K, I get all the usual OWE benefits plus an extra MVP Gold 75K card, mileage rollovers, upgrade certificates, and more - a much better value for my money.
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 5:00 pm
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Dare I ask; those here who do only leisure flying in CE what is the benefit to you having Silver status (or Sapphire equivalent)?

You get lounge access, and a decent enough baggage allowance that the odd flight you need another case 60? why chase status?

I suppose seat selection is nice but worth a huge TP run? Id pay the 40!
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyingSquirrel_
Credit points to VS while flying KLM to the East
I think you need 4-5 business roundtrips from the UK to get to VS Gold - don't you?
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 5:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Markie
I think you need 4-5 business roundtrips from the UK to get to VS Gold - don't you?
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From what I can gather I can get VS Gold from 2.5 YYZ-LHR Upper Class trips. Unfortunately the a/c on the route will be the old 789 with the ancient herringbone coffin seats. Which I still prefer over all but a very few of the old CW seats when BA switches with little notice from the 351 or 777 to the 789 on the route.
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 5:14 pm
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Originally Posted by ScienceTeacher
Dare I ask; those here who do only leisure flying in CE what is the benefit to you having Silver status (or Sapphire equivalent)?

You get lounge access, and a decent enough baggage allowance that the odd flight you need another case 60? why chase status?

I suppose seat selection is nice but worth a huge TP run? Id pay the 40!
You are not the first to wonder. To mention just what comes to mind:
  • ​​​​I choose to fly long haul in J and short haul in Y, so for the latter status benefits are very welcome
  • More and more airlines these days have or introduce basic/light business fares which exclude lounge access, etc. and status compensates for loosing the cabin benefits.
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 6:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Imposter
How do the Distance programmes account for connections. End point to End point miles and one allocation of Points, or each segment and multiple allocation of points?

For exmple, WAW - LHR is 916m. Old world BAEC that would be 40TP. WAW-HEL-LHR is 584m+1151m and would be 40TP+40TP in old world BA. Under the MH distance scheme, do they allocate the trip as one flight of 916m, [Zone2 501-1200m] for 3 points, or two flights of 584m and 1151m both Zone 2 for a total 6 points, or one combined flight of 1745m [Zone3 1201-2200m] for 5 points?

Same kind of question for QR which also seems distance based.
Originally Posted by NickB
AIUI, it is per segment with MH (for non MH flights, which are revenue-based). The distance-based approach also applies to MH segments when the itinerary is a multi-airline itinerary (whereas it is revenue-based for a pure MH itinerary). I have not looked at QR at all.
Just for clarity, I think it is worth commenting here that (AIUI) although Enrich Points are revenue-based for MH-only itineraries, MH Elite points (more relevant for the present status discussion) are distance-band based (only dependent on cabin rather than fare class or cost) for both MH flights and OW partner flights. In each case sector-by-sector (are there any programs that award their flavor of air-miles or elite points based on start to-end point?).

Certainly important though also to consider how many "miles" you will be banking when thinking about a FFP.

I can certainly see myself switching to MH, though will wait for a year or two to see how things play out with the new BA program. That switch works for me though as (i) I am based in Beijing; (ii) 1/3 of my current TPs on BA have in any case been from long weekend breaks with my wife to SE Asia using MH business class deals (typically 1000+ TP/yr), and (iii) I can use the MH Enrich points for my wife's ticket for some of those long weekend breaks rather than buying two revenue tickets.
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by ivanwmc
You are not the first to wonder. To mention just what comes to mind:
  • ​​​​I choose to fly long haul in J and short haul in Y, so for the latter status benefits are very welcome
  • More and more airlines these days have or introduce basic/light business fares which exclude lounge access, etc. and status compensates for loosing the cabin benefits.
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Oh I agree completely in this case. But my post was for those that only fly CE J for leisure.
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by guv1976
AS 75K also gets you AA MCE, as well as the possibility of upgrades on AA domestic flights.
From Alaska website:
On flights operated by American, the tier order is:
  • American elites with oneworld Emerald status (AAdvantage Concierge Key, Executive Platinum, and Platinum Pro)
  • Alaska Elite members with oneworld Emerald Priority Tier (MVP Gold 75k and MVP Gold 100k)
  • American AAdvantage Platinum (oneworld Sapphire)
  • Alaska MVP Gold
  • American AAdvantage Gold members (oneworld Ruby)
  • Alaska MVP
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This means that on AA flights AS 75k and 100k have upgrade priority below AA PLT Pro and I would not expect many upgrades/
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Alex_I
From Alaska website:
On flights operated by American, the tier order is:
  • American elites with oneworld Emerald status (AAdvantage Concierge Key, Executive Platinum, and Platinum Pro)
  • Alaska Elite members with oneworld Emerald Priority Tier (MVP Gold 75k and MVP Gold 100k)
  • American AAdvantage Platinum (oneworld Sapphire)
  • Alaska MVP Gold
  • American AAdvantage Gold members (oneworld Ruby)
  • Alaska MVP
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This means that on AA flights AS 75k and 100k have upgrade priority below AA PLT Pro and I would not expect many upgrades/
Id argue that AS 75k should be below Plat Pro as they are both mid-tier Emerald. 100k should be above Plat Pro, but it seems that theyre just grouping things as AA Emerald followed by AS Emerald for convenience.

I dont know where AA Exec Plat is in the AS hierarchy wrt 75k but, as I mentioned above, our upgrade rate on AS is very high. These are all short flights as we buy F on the longer routes, so that could also be a factor.

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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 11:57 pm
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Long haul options

After about 2 minutes research .

1. I have gold for life so can use those benefits when the price and route is right
2. Although I will definitely spend 30k and probably 40k if I focus, will give up on GGL and wont try to requalify for April 26. Rubbish long haul route options and product to parts of Asia I go to and I dont go to the US
3. All flights self funded and always Business or First class
4. Thought about Emirates but going to use SQ for long haul. Prices are comparable and as we all know hard and soft product is impeccable There is no incentive to put up with BA inconsistency anymore.
5. will continue to use BA Amex card to purchase flights.

Wrong strategy?
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Old Jan 4, 2025 | 12:16 am
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Originally Posted by brp
Id argue that AS 75k should be below Plat Pro as they are both mid-tier Emerald. 100k should be above Plat Pro, but it seems that theyre just grouping things as AA Emerald followed by AS Emerald for convenience.

I dont know where AA Exec Plat is in the AS hierarchy wrt 75k but, as I mentioned above, our upgrade rate on AS is very high. These are all short flights as we buy F on the longer routes, so that could also be a factor.

Cheers.
It's pretty much the same order in reverse on AS. I suspect the reason 100K/75K and ExPlat/PlatPro are grouped together on both ends is that the airline is only able to see oneworld tier (and which program) for another airline's elites and not specific levels.

On Alaska operated flights, the tier order is:
  • Alaska MVP Gold 100K
  • Alaska MVP Gold 75K
  • American AAdvantage Concierge Key, Executive Platinum and Platinum Pro members (all of which are oneworldEmerald status)
  • Alaska MVP Gold
  • American AAdvantage Platinum (oneworld Sapphire)
  • Alaska MVP
  • American AAdvantage Gold members (oneworld Ruby)
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Old Jan 4, 2025 | 2:34 am
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I think it will be Alaska for me if someone could validate my maths please.

International business class flights booked via Alaska, so on AS codeshare, get 250% EQM's, meaning the 4 x LHR-JFK returns I do a year, available with AS codeshare would be 8 x 3442 miles base + 150% which is 66,840 EQM. Add in at least one QR return to Singapore (125% as no codeshare available - although could use SQ), which is 2 * 3527 + 2 * 3857 for 14768 base + 25% for 18460 EQM's and I'm on 85,300 EQM's before adding in any personal travel.

I very rarely travel domestically in the US, and usually it's tagged on to an international leg anyway, so the loss of domestic lounge access doesn't bother me.
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Old Jan 4, 2025 | 2:45 am
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Originally Posted by bthere79
IB+ seems the best way to get/keep OW status for me. I only fly J if heavily discounted and IB+ does not distinguish between different classes.
It's true that IB+ doesn't distinguish between business fare classes for BA flights (and AA), but be careful on IB Group metal and some partners like QR, where it does make a difference in business. (It makes a difference in economy no matter the airline; discount Y always earns a pittance compared to full Y.)
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Old Jan 4, 2025 | 3:25 am
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Originally Posted by darthlemsip
I think it will be Alaska for me if someone could validate my maths please.

International business class flights booked via Alaska, so on AS codeshare, get 250% EQM's, meaning the 4 x LHR-JFK returns I do a year, available with AS codeshare would be 8 x 3442 miles base + 150% which is 66,840 EQM. Add in at least one QR return to Singapore (125% as no codeshare available - although could use SQ), which is 2 * 3527 + 2 * 3857 for 14768 base + 25% for 18460 EQM's and I'm on 85,300 EQM's before adding in any personal travel.

I very rarely travel domestically in the US, and usually it's tagged on to an international leg anyway, so the loss of domestic lounge access doesn't bother me.
I'd check that your preferred TATL routes are bookable in the way you expect. As far as I can tell, if you try to book a TATL flight which originates in Europe/UK via Alaska.com it offers no non-stop routings and insists on putting you through Dublin on Aer Lingus.
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