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Hi all, sharing a guide I put together with some analysis of the best alternative OW programs to BAEC - hope this helps!
Please do give me any feedback or corrections if I missed anything.
Google Doc link below
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
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Hi all, sharing a guide I put together with some analysis of the best alternative OW programs to BAEC - hope this helps!
Please do give me any feedback or corrections if I missed anything.
Google Doc link below
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
Best alternatives to BAC (equivalent status Sapphire / Emerald / GGL)
#376




Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: SYD
Programs: BA Gold, AY Basic, QR Burgundy, VA Red, A3 Blue, ALL Silver, Avis Preferred
Posts: 167
People need to be mindful of MH Z class and specific routes between Asia/ME and Europe (see the links above for routes) that will earn significantly less than what you might expect. As an example, QF don't have a great relationship with QR and actively punish it's members for flying them. Flying from Western Europe to Doha will earn you less than flying to Sri Lanka. But flying from Doha to South East Asia earns you more than flying from Europe to Doha. Here are some examples in J:
The focus would be similar to BA where multi-segment short hops are better for earn. It works incredibly well for intra-Asia/Europe especially flights between 251-750 (40SC) and 751-1500 (60SC) and 1500-2000 (80SC). It's been a while since I did a non-Aus based SC run so I'm fairly out of the loop. About 10 years ago the first time I achieved QF WP, I did BKK-KUL-HKG 4 times b2b over a week for under $2500 AUD during that time. That doesn't include positioning and what not but just an example what can be achieved.
As an FYI, there has been talk of a recent survey on potential revenue base status for QF but the Australian market is very different so most people don't expect something as drastic as what BA has done.
- LHR-DOH on QR 60SC
- DOH-SIN on QR 100SC
- LHR-CMB on UL 120SC
- DOH-AKL on QR 80SC
The focus would be similar to BA where multi-segment short hops are better for earn. It works incredibly well for intra-Asia/Europe especially flights between 251-750 (40SC) and 751-1500 (60SC) and 1500-2000 (80SC). It's been a while since I did a non-Aus based SC run so I'm fairly out of the loop. About 10 years ago the first time I achieved QF WP, I did BKK-KUL-HKG 4 times b2b over a week for under $2500 AUD during that time. That doesn't include positioning and what not but just an example what can be achieved.
As an FYI, there has been talk of a recent survey on potential revenue base status for QF but the Australian market is very different so most people don't expect something as drastic as what BA has done.
#377




Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: LHR/SEA/YVR
Programs: BAEC G/*O E, MC PlatE, Total Wine Grand Reserve
Posts: 930
Ive done my homework, and my annual air travel spending (before taxes) typically runs between 25K and 35K. In the past, that would have qualified me for BAEC Gold. However, because about half of my flights are on oneworld partners (that now award a paltry 12.5% of the actual miles flown) my total Tier Points end up around 15K .
My travel patterns are enough to get me into the top tiers with both AA and AS, but since Im SEA-based, and given Alaskas impressive list of non-oneworld partners (like SQ, KE, and LA), Ive decided to go with them. I just applied (and was approved) for their credit card, and Im about to book my first trip on their website.
Ill lose domestic lounge access, but thats not a huge loss considering the state of most lounges outside of LAX, MIA, ORD, and JFK. Plus, I still have Priority Pass if I ever need a reminder of how busy and basic US lounges are.
Honestly, Im grateful BA nudged me out of my comfort zone, because Ive discovered how many more perks I can get elsewhere. For instance, with AS MVP Gold 100K, I get all the usual OWE benefits plus an extra MVP Gold 75K card, mileage rollovers, upgrade certificates, and more - a much better value for my money.
My travel patterns are enough to get me into the top tiers with both AA and AS, but since Im SEA-based, and given Alaskas impressive list of non-oneworld partners (like SQ, KE, and LA), Ive decided to go with them. I just applied (and was approved) for their credit card, and Im about to book my first trip on their website.
Ill lose domestic lounge access, but thats not a huge loss considering the state of most lounges outside of LAX, MIA, ORD, and JFK. Plus, I still have Priority Pass if I ever need a reminder of how busy and basic US lounges are.
Honestly, Im grateful BA nudged me out of my comfort zone, because Ive discovered how many more perks I can get elsewhere. For instance, with AS MVP Gold 100K, I get all the usual OWE benefits plus an extra MVP Gold 75K card, mileage rollovers, upgrade certificates, and more - a much better value for my money.
#378


Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: London
Programs: Gold at BA, Hilton and Radisson.
Posts: 894
Dare I ask; those here who do only leisure flying in CE what is the benefit to you having Silver status (or Sapphire equivalent)?
You get lounge access, and a decent enough baggage allowance that the odd flight you need another case 60? why chase status?
I suppose seat selection is nice but worth a huge TP run? Id pay the 40!
You get lounge access, and a decent enough baggage allowance that the odd flight you need another case 60? why chase status?
I suppose seat selection is nice but worth a huge TP run? Id pay the 40!
#379
Moderator: Hyatt Gold Passport & Star Alliance




Join Date: May 1998
Location: London, UK
Programs: UA-1K 3MM/HY- LT Globalist/BA-GGLfL
Posts: 12,759
#380




Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: YYZ
Programs: LH SEN/BA Silver (headed to Blue)/Marriott Gold/HH Diamond/IC Plat Amba
Posts: 6,552
From what I can gather I can get VS Gold from 2.5 YYZ-LHR Upper Class trips. Unfortunately the a/c on the route will be the old 789 with the ancient herringbone coffin seats. Which I still prefer over all but a very few of the old CW seats when BA switches with little notice from the 351 or 777 to the 789 on the route.
#381


Join Date: Jul 2020
Programs: SkyTeam Elite Plus, Star Alliance Gold, oneworld Emerald
Posts: 170
Dare I ask; those here who do only leisure flying in CE what is the benefit to you having Silver status (or Sapphire equivalent)?
You get lounge access, and a decent enough baggage allowance that the odd flight you need another case 60? why chase status?
I suppose seat selection is nice but worth a huge TP run? Id pay the 40!
You get lounge access, and a decent enough baggage allowance that the odd flight you need another case 60? why chase status?
I suppose seat selection is nice but worth a huge TP run? Id pay the 40!
- I choose to fly long haul in J and short haul in Y, so for the latter status benefits are very welcome
- More and more airlines these days have or introduce basic/light business fares which exclude lounge access, etc. and status compensates for loosing the cabin benefits.
#382




Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Beijing
Programs: SK EBG, BAEC Gold
Posts: 985
How do the Distance programmes account for connections. End point to End point miles and one allocation of Points, or each segment and multiple allocation of points?
For exmple, WAW - LHR is 916m. Old world BAEC that would be 40TP. WAW-HEL-LHR is 584m+1151m and would be 40TP+40TP in old world BA. Under the MH distance scheme, do they allocate the trip as one flight of 916m, [Zone2 501-1200m] for 3 points, or two flights of 584m and 1151m both Zone 2 for a total 6 points, or one combined flight of 1745m [Zone3 1201-2200m] for 5 points?
Same kind of question for QR which also seems distance based.
For exmple, WAW - LHR is 916m. Old world BAEC that would be 40TP. WAW-HEL-LHR is 584m+1151m and would be 40TP+40TP in old world BA. Under the MH distance scheme, do they allocate the trip as one flight of 916m, [Zone2 501-1200m] for 3 points, or two flights of 584m and 1151m both Zone 2 for a total 6 points, or one combined flight of 1745m [Zone3 1201-2200m] for 5 points?
Same kind of question for QR which also seems distance based.
Certainly important though also to consider how many "miles" you will be banking when thinking about a FFP.
I can certainly see myself switching to MH, though will wait for a year or two to see how things play out with the new BA program. That switch works for me though as (i) I am based in Beijing; (ii) 1/3 of my current TPs on BA have in any case been from long weekend breaks with my wife to SE Asia using MH business class deals (typically 1000+ TP/yr), and (iii) I can use the MH Enrich points for my wife's ticket for some of those long weekend breaks rather than buying two revenue tickets.
#383


Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: London
Programs: Gold at BA, Hilton and Radisson.
Posts: 894
You are not the first to wonder. To mention just what comes to mind:
- I choose to fly long haul in J and short haul in Y, so for the latter status benefits are very welcome
- More and more airlines these days have or introduce basic/light business fares which exclude lounge access, etc. and status compensates for loosing the cabin benefits.
#384


Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Everywhere
Programs: AA EXP - 4MM, Bonv LIFETIME Titan, HH Dmd, Hyatt Glob., Priority Clb Dmd, Ntnl Exec El., Sixt PLT
Posts: 1,771
On flights operated by American, the tier order is:
- American elites with oneworld Emerald status (AAdvantage Concierge Key, Executive Platinum, and Platinum Pro)
- Alaska Elite members with oneworld Emerald Priority Tier (MVP Gold 75k and MVP Gold 100k)
- American AAdvantage Platinum (oneworld Sapphire)
- Alaska MVP Gold
- American AAdvantage Gold members (oneworld Ruby)
- Alaska MVP
This means that on AA flights AS 75k and 100k have upgrade priority below AA PLT Pro and I would not expect many upgrades/
#385
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: SJC
Programs: AA EXP, BA Silver, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton diamond, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 34,035
From Alaska website:
On flights operated by American, the tier order is:
This means that on AA flights AS 75k and 100k have upgrade priority below AA PLT Pro and I would not expect many upgrades/
On flights operated by American, the tier order is:
- American elites with oneworld Emerald status (AAdvantage Concierge Key, Executive Platinum, and Platinum Pro)
- Alaska Elite members with oneworld Emerald Priority Tier (MVP Gold 75k and MVP Gold 100k)
- American AAdvantage Platinum (oneworld Sapphire)
- Alaska MVP Gold
- American AAdvantage Gold members (oneworld Ruby)
- Alaska MVP
This means that on AA flights AS 75k and 100k have upgrade priority below AA PLT Pro and I would not expect many upgrades/
I dont know where AA Exec Plat is in the AS hierarchy wrt 75k but, as I mentioned above, our upgrade rate on AS is very high. These are all short flights as we buy F on the longer routes, so that could also be a factor.
Cheers.
#386


Join Date: Aug 2003
Programs: BAC GFL. EK Plat. IC RA
Posts: 525
Long haul options
After about 2 minutes research .
1. I have gold for life so can use those benefits when the price and route is right
2. Although I will definitely spend 30k and probably 40k if I focus, will give up on GGL and wont try to requalify for April 26. Rubbish long haul route options and product to parts of Asia I go to and I dont go to the US
3. All flights self funded and always Business or First class
4. Thought about Emirates but going to use SQ for long haul. Prices are comparable and as we all know hard and soft product is impeccable There is no incentive to put up with BA inconsistency anymore.
5. will continue to use BA Amex card to purchase flights.
Wrong strategy?
1. I have gold for life so can use those benefits when the price and route is right
2. Although I will definitely spend 30k and probably 40k if I focus, will give up on GGL and wont try to requalify for April 26. Rubbish long haul route options and product to parts of Asia I go to and I dont go to the US
3. All flights self funded and always Business or First class
4. Thought about Emirates but going to use SQ for long haul. Prices are comparable and as we all know hard and soft product is impeccable There is no incentive to put up with BA inconsistency anymore.
5. will continue to use BA Amex card to purchase flights.
Wrong strategy?
Last edited by IThink; Jan 4, 2025 at 12:05 am
#387




Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: RDU/BKK
Programs: Atmos Gold
Posts: 439
Id argue that AS 75k should be below Plat Pro as they are both mid-tier Emerald. 100k should be above Plat Pro, but it seems that theyre just grouping things as AA Emerald followed by AS Emerald for convenience.
I dont know where AA Exec Plat is in the AS hierarchy wrt 75k but, as I mentioned above, our upgrade rate on AS is very high. These are all short flights as we buy F on the longer routes, so that could also be a factor.
Cheers.
I dont know where AA Exec Plat is in the AS hierarchy wrt 75k but, as I mentioned above, our upgrade rate on AS is very high. These are all short flights as we buy F on the longer routes, so that could also be a factor.
Cheers.
On Alaska operated flights, the tier order is:
- Alaska MVP Gold 100K
- Alaska MVP Gold 75K
- American AAdvantage Concierge Key, Executive Platinum and Platinum Pro members (all of which are oneworldEmerald status)
- Alaska MVP Gold
- American AAdvantage Platinum (oneworld Sapphire)
- Alaska MVP
- American AAdvantage Gold members (oneworld Ruby)
#388


Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold, SAS Diamond
Posts: 4,314
I think it will be Alaska for me if someone could validate my maths please.
International business class flights booked via Alaska, so on AS codeshare, get 250% EQM's, meaning the 4 x LHR-JFK returns I do a year, available with AS codeshare would be 8 x 3442 miles base + 150% which is 66,840 EQM. Add in at least one QR return to Singapore (125% as no codeshare available - although could use SQ), which is 2 * 3527 + 2 * 3857 for 14768 base + 25% for 18460 EQM's and I'm on 85,300 EQM's before adding in any personal travel.
I very rarely travel domestically in the US, and usually it's tagged on to an international leg anyway, so the loss of domestic lounge access doesn't bother me.
International business class flights booked via Alaska, so on AS codeshare, get 250% EQM's, meaning the 4 x LHR-JFK returns I do a year, available with AS codeshare would be 8 x 3442 miles base + 150% which is 66,840 EQM. Add in at least one QR return to Singapore (125% as no codeshare available - although could use SQ), which is 2 * 3527 + 2 * 3857 for 14768 base + 25% for 18460 EQM's and I'm on 85,300 EQM's before adding in any personal travel.
I very rarely travel domestically in the US, and usually it's tagged on to an international leg anyway, so the loss of domestic lounge access doesn't bother me.
#389



Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: MAD
Programs: IB OWE, LH *G, Radisson VIP, Discovery Titanium, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 1,620
You can see specific earning tables (click on Avios tables, badly named links) for elite points: https://www.iberia.com/es/iberiaplus...lights/iberia/ https://www.iberia.com/es/iberiaplus...qatar_airways/
#390




Join Date: Aug 2015
Programs: Most of them (to one degree or another)
Posts: 464
I think it will be Alaska for me if someone could validate my maths please.
International business class flights booked via Alaska, so on AS codeshare, get 250% EQM's, meaning the 4 x LHR-JFK returns I do a year, available with AS codeshare would be 8 x 3442 miles base + 150% which is 66,840 EQM. Add in at least one QR return to Singapore (125% as no codeshare available - although could use SQ), which is 2 * 3527 + 2 * 3857 for 14768 base + 25% for 18460 EQM's and I'm on 85,300 EQM's before adding in any personal travel.
I very rarely travel domestically in the US, and usually it's tagged on to an international leg anyway, so the loss of domestic lounge access doesn't bother me.
International business class flights booked via Alaska, so on AS codeshare, get 250% EQM's, meaning the 4 x LHR-JFK returns I do a year, available with AS codeshare would be 8 x 3442 miles base + 150% which is 66,840 EQM. Add in at least one QR return to Singapore (125% as no codeshare available - although could use SQ), which is 2 * 3527 + 2 * 3857 for 14768 base + 25% for 18460 EQM's and I'm on 85,300 EQM's before adding in any personal travel.
I very rarely travel domestically in the US, and usually it's tagged on to an international leg anyway, so the loss of domestic lounge access doesn't bother me.




