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Information below is based on the fleet plan reported in the latest fleet update in the quarterly MD&A, (currently 2025-Q4 [English PDF]) with updates based on information from planespotters.net, press releases, and other sources. Please expand the "Spoilers" section that the bottom of the wiki to see latest updates. This spreadsheet contains data on AC's fleet back to 2005, and includes numerous charts that detail the evolution of various types in the fleet from then until the present.

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Dec 17, 2024 | 8:46 am

#1171

Leyland1989

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PLeblond

That's a lot of seats going to Rouge...

Also, the 2028 lines don't include 787-9, 787-9 ? A330...or I'm missing something as usual?

I updated my last post as I was reading though to presentation.

There was no mention to those types, likely no major changes to them.

In their vision, the fleet composition in 2028 will consist of
Mainline:
777
787
A330
A321
A220

Rouge:
737 MAX

Express:
E75
CR9
Q400 (Strangely they haven't got the memo about the rebranding ?)

Safe to assume the A330 (at least some) will still be around.

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Dec 17, 2024 | 8:47 am

#1172

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyland1989

By 2028,
All MAX going to Rouge
319,320 will exit the fleet

That leaves a pretty big gap between the 137 seats on an A220 and the 190 seats on the A321.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLeblond

Also, the 2028 lines don't include 787-9, 787-9 ? A330...or I'm missing something as usual?

leyland was only listing changes. so presumably no "new" changes to 789 and 333 fleet plans (for now).

Dec 17, 2024 | 8:49 am

#1173

Leyland1989

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lev

That leaves a pretty big gap between the 137 seats on an A220 and the 190 seats on the A321.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLeblond

That's a lot of seats going to Rouge...

Also, the 2028 lines don't include 787-9, 787-9 ? A330...or I'm missing something as usual?

I guess we can start the rumour mill about A220-500 too ?

I bet there will be a lot current routes flown by the A320s getting rouged.

Last edited by Leyland1989; Dec 17, 2024 at 9:00 am

Dec 17, 2024 | 8:58 am

#1174

PLeblond

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Looking a lot like Airbus Narrow-body, Boeing Widebody on Mainline, and the Max to Rouge which makes sense as it economics are tough to beat.

Edit: I'm still really miffed (using toned down language here) the C-Series is part of the Airbus portfolio. It deserves so much better than that. They soooo don't deserve that plane and especially at the price they paid for it.

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Dec 17, 2024 | 9:00 am

#1175

EdmFlyBoi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PLeblond

That's a lot of seats going to Rouge...

Also, the 2028 lines don't include 787-9, 787-9 ? A330...or I'm missing something as usual?

This is what was presented:

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Dec 17, 2024 | 9:08 am

#1176

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Not sure if I'm reading too much into it.

This is the 787-10 seat map, it appears the next gen business class cabin will have special bulkhead seats.

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Dec 17, 2024 | 9:09 am

#1177

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Page 68 of the deck talks about the 787-10 have 30% more J seats than an A330. By my calculation that is 42 J seats. Depending on where the lavs and galleys are placed, they likely could get this number of seats between doors 1 and 2. Seems like AC is going to go with a similar configuration that UA has on there 787-10. Pretty premium compared to the bulk of AC's historic wide body fleet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyland1989

Not sure if I'm reading too much into it.

This is the 787-10 seat map, it appears the next gen business class cabin will have special bulkhead seats.

Super interesting. AC seems to be in a shift towards more premium configuration.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyland1989

Too late to make predictions but MAX to rouge has just been announced.

I haven't had time to read through to whole PDF, presentation is still on-going.
Summary:

By 2028,
All MAX going to Rouge
319,320 will exit the fleet

No changes to the rest of the fleet is mentioned.

Expecting by 2028, there will be
14* 787-10
25* A321 XLR
70* A220
53* 737 MAX at Rouge

Also looking at Ultra-long haul beyond 2030.. maybe we can start the rumour mill for A350-1000NEO ???

A220 to be deployed on Caribbean/Central America Routes and 6th Freedom flights
787-10 will be deployed on Transpacific routes from YVR and Transatlantic from YYZ/YUL
XLR will be used on Transatlantic flights from YYZ/YUL and YYZ/YUL to Lima and Senegal and Morocco, YOW/YHZ to LHR
Also on Transcon flight to SFO, LAX,YVR,YYC,YEG and YVR-NYC-YUL

Potential new routes to Berlin, Dusseldorf, Manchester, Bordeaux, Porto, Malaga, Marseille, Nice, Toulouse, Lyon, Basel with the XLR

but i think it's getting off topic and I'm over reading into the map.

Not sure how they are going to handle such a capacity increase at both YYZ and YUL. Both are already restricted and adding all these routes is going to be challenging for both hubs.

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Dec 17, 2024 | 9:35 am

#1178

PLeblond

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EdmFlyBoi

Not sure how they are going to handle such a capacity increase at both YYZ and YUL. Both are already restricted and adding all these routes is going to be challenging for both hubs.

YUL is expanding and adding an extra terminal with 10 gates.

Dec 17, 2024 | 9:39 am

#1179

Leyland1989

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EdmFlyBoi

Not sure how they are going to handle such a capacity increase at both YYZ and YUL. Both are already restricted and adding all these routes is going to be challenging for both hubs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLeblond

YUL is expanding and adding an extra terminal with 10 gates.

There is supposedly a T1 expansion (or new T2?) coming soon** at YYZ where the old T2 used to be and take over the gate 193 temporary structures .
Optimistically they should be finalised next year and begin construction soon**

Probably be online by 2030... or realistically around 2040 or likely some time in the 2050s.

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Dec 17, 2024 | 9:39 am

#1180

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyland1989

Also looking at Ultra-long haul beyond 2030.. maybe we can start the rumour mill for A350-1000NEO ???
.

777X also fits nicely in the fleet make up.

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Dec 17, 2024 | 9:47 am

#1181

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyland1989

Not sure if I'm reading too much into it.

This is the 787-10 seat map, it appears the next gen business class cabin will have special bulkhead seats.

I'm only zooming in my phone, but I'm not really seeing what you mean.

Dec 17, 2024 | 9:49 am

#1182

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Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancow

I'm only zooming in my phone, but I'm not really seeing what you mean.

They are significantly more "empty" space where the closets are in Row 1 on the -10 if you zoom closely enough.

Dec 17, 2024 | 9:50 am

#1183

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EdmFlyBoi

Super interesting. AC seems to be in a shift towards more premium configuration.

Indeed. Only one more row of Y (and actually fewer non-preferred/premium seats).

I was kind of expecting them to shoehorn 28-32 J and 18 PY between doors 1-2.

Dec 17, 2024 | 10:01 am

#1184

CanadianMike

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Perhaps not the correct thread but I think relevant.
What are the contractual logistics of the MAX fleet becoming Rouged for the mainline pilots who currently fly them?

Dec 17, 2024 | 10:12 am

#1185

Wigg

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I'm assuming there is no chance of the A 220's moving to 16J from 12 J with the expansion of this type? Whether cash or e up, the fewer J seats is not great.