Swiss to get A350 starting 2025
#76




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Doubled to 10 A350
With the Swiss nonSense, of course.
https://swiss.newsmarket.com/English...4-f30222a9e2b1
With the Swiss nonSense, of course.
https://swiss.newsmarket.com/English...4-f30222a9e2b1
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An A330 is smaller though... not every destination LX flies to can take the capacity of an A359. LX learned that the hard way when deploying B77W on former A343 routes. A written off A330 still produces a cheaper seat.
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A333 nonSense 3.5F 43C 21G 159Y 1000Pb
A359 nonSense 3.5F 45C 38G 156Y
Not that big a difference and Premium Economy is the largest profit generator in terms of $/m2.
Last edited by MichielR; Dec 6, 2024 at 6:30 am
#81


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Doubled to 10 A350
With the Swiss nonSense, of course.
https://swiss.newsmarket.com/English...4-f30222a9e2b1
With the Swiss nonSense, of course.
https://swiss.newsmarket.com/English...4-f30222a9e2b1
I suppose the one saving grace will be that by the time all those planes are produced and Senseless is installed could be many years away. And the routes I most often fly are likely low down in the priority list for NonSensification.
#83




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You are right. Aerotelegraph reports that they will replace the oldest A330s.
As it was done in the past we will sure see additional top up orders. In order to replace the original 5 A340's + the 14 A330's at least 19 planes are needed. Looking at delivery delays not sure if LX could get all 19 planes by 2031
I could imagine the follwing scenario to happen to keep the upgrade costs and damage as low as possible with the whole senseless planing but doing something about the A333 cabin:
1. Keep the 4 A340's in the fleet for the timebeing and use the first 5 A350's to replace A330's.
2. Install Seneless on max 9 A330's between 2025 until 2027 and replace the A340's between 2027 and 2031. From 2031 onwards replace the remining A330's. Not to forget additional aircraft capacity is needed from 2027-2030 +- to compensate missing B77W's that will also get the seneless upgrade.
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The A330's were delivered between 2009 and 2013. When it comes to age the oldest plane will be less than 20 years in 2027. Looking at the delays with Senseless + the extra weight that would need to be added to install the cabin it would be best to scrap the idea to upgrade the A330's and replace them sooner than later.
#85


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They are really trying hard to make everthing so complicated.
But surely LH teams have had a wonderfull idea to create a Y "luxury row" and market and price it accordingly... Probably at least 27C and 27H will bring a few extra bucks to the financial results, congratulations for such a well designed product - 26B and 26J will be thrilled to seat next to their back neighbour's feet !
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That one row of Y is silly but I dont think you can suggest to dedicate 4 lavs to Premium Y and leave Y with the 5th one in the back? To create a dedicated lav the whole layout needs to change. Maybe thats work in progress, or is that too much wishful thinking?
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Some LH/LX A330s will go to 4Y and SN. The extra weight story is a nice joke, but over all the switch to the new cabin will result in an overall weight reduction. The weights in the tail are required due to the dramatic reduction in weight in the PE/Y cabin and the galleys. Materials have evolved over time and seat construction has become much lighter since 2008-09 when the A330 was specified.
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Howcome is there so few lavs in this plane ? I wonder how it compares to other A350 layouts of other companies ?
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