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If you want to use USB C for more than charging, then these two posts are useful: 1 2.

When planning your charger loadout, do note the charger your laptop shipped with is not a requirement, a lower one will be fine. For example, https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/25/60w-u...-all-macbooks/ says

the 87W charger filled up my 15-inch MacBook Pro battery more quickly than the 60W charger, but not by very much. After an hour and a half, the 87W charger added 76% battery while the 60W charger added 72%.
On the other hand, most laptops are not built to use higher wattage even if available. It won't hurt your laptop, though.

Buy chargers on Amazon at your own risk, they are known to commingle stock from every third party sellers. But, the chargers here do not have fakes (yet?) so even Amazon might be safe.

The smallest USB C chargers:
  1. Mu One. 45W. Comes with UK, US, EU folding plugs. 96 x 55 x 14mm, 82g with the UK plug attached. 3.78 x 2.17 x 0.55 inch, 2.89oz. Manufacturer shop, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N1PK1RP https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07N1PK1RP
  2. RAVPower GaN 45W : 72 x 54 x 14.9mm / 2.83 x 2.12 x 0.59inch, 75g / 2.65oz. This is a similar charger to Mu One only without the nifty plug heads. It is marginally cheaper, but without the unique multi-region folding plugs it isn't as good of an option for international travelers. Manufacturer shop, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H9WMW6N
  3. Innergie 60C (nee 55CC): 65W 60 x 30 x 30mm / 2.3 x 1.2 x 1.2 inch, 85g. While much thicker than the previous two, when the socket is hidden in a recess this has a much better chance to fit. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBYVF4Q Also, a cable is available to charge legacy laptops https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBYL5KZ only compatible with the Innergie 60C. This makes the Finsix Dart fully obsolete, it started as a legacy laptop charger and a USB C cable was planned and reviewed two years ago but never shipped.
If you have more than one USB C device:
  1. Satechi 75W: USB C 60W, USB C 18W, two USB A share 12W. 4" x 2.63" x 1", 11.14 oz. Manufacturer shop https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078864F15
  2. LVSUN LS-PD87-2C sold as Hyperjuice 87W charger: two USB C and one USB A all three share 87W. 4.33" x 3.86" x 0.79", 8.32oz Aliexpress Hyper https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KLWDY9C
  3. Hyperjuice battery: 27000 mAh USB C 100W, USB C 60W, USB A 18W. 7.2" x 3" x 0.84" / 183.2 x 77.1 x 21.3 mm Manufacturer shop (although it goes through indiegogo, it is not crowdfunding, it's just a shop)
  4. Maru & Masa Kickstarter: Maru is a 82mm/3.23" diameter bagel, 28mm/1.1" thick, 7.4oz, USB C 45W, USB C 18W, two USB A share 15W, three international AC sockets, nifty interchangeable international plugs. Masa is a battery 80 x 80 x 28 / 3.15" x 3.15" x 1.1" , 11.3oz 18000 mAh, USB C 45W, USB C 15W, Qi 7.5W, kickstand. Promised shipping: April 2019 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...e-yet-powerful
  5. SuperTank & SuperPort 4 Kickstarter: SuperPort 4 is a 114 x 100 x 24 / 4.5" x 3.95" x .95" charger, weight not disclosed, USB C 100W, USB C 18W, two USB ports share 18W. SuperTank is a 27000 mAh battery w/ lots of features, 4.7" x 2.8" x 1.6", 17oz USB C 100W, USB C 60W, USB A 18W, USB A 15W all ports share 138W Promised shipping: May 2019 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ek-recharge-in
  6. AlsterPlus Kickstarter: 7.4" x 3.28" x 0.85", 20oz / 568gr, 27000mAh battery with 2 x 100W USB-C + 2x 18W USB-A, lots of features. All ports share 156W.
  7. Anker Atom PD4. Two USB C, two USB A all share 100W, USB A per port is 12W max. 4.1" x 3.3" x 1.3", 13.5oz. https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Chargin.../dp/B07VSMK849
  8. MagicFox PD180. This is a DC-DC unit, it takes 12-28V 180W via a 5.5mm x 2.5mm jack or 100W max via USB- C input and provides three ports: USB C 100W, USB C 40W, USB A 40W. Size 3.15" x 2.76" x 0.53", 3.44oz. Possible interesting AC-DC choices: Lenovo 4X20Q88542 at 135W either from Encompass with very long ship times or from Japan via Rakuten, Lenovo-to-5.5mm plug adapter here. 4.65" x 3" x .83", 15.24oz. If that's not enough Razer has a 180W which, AFAIK has the right plug. Notably light at 14.82oz, 5.98" / 152mm x 2.87" / 73mm x 0.93" / 23.5mm. The MagicFox PD180 itself is, so far, China only, I had good experiences with Superbuy as proxy so https://www.superbuy.com/en/page/buy...832086035.html While the MagicFox PD180 itself is cheap, high wattage, quality, lightweight AC-DC adapters are anything but.
Getting multiple units from the small section can be more compact and versatile. It is expensive, though and requires plugging multiple devices. Recommended: power strip, wall tap, wall tap. Add USB A ports via slim chargers, Amazon list and https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016XO41KQ/

Cabling wise, AmazomBasics and Monoprice is your friend. Do not use female USB C to USB A / micro USB adapters, these are explicitly forbidden by the USB C standard. Male USB C to USB A / micro USB is fine.

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Old Nov 29, 2021 | 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by Polytonic
Picked up the Razer 130W GaN charger, mainly planning on using it to power an iPhone and iPad.

Has anyone given much thought into the cables situation at all?

My portable battery charges over MicroUSB with a regular USB output, iPhone over Lightning, iPad Pro over USB-C/Thunderbolt. So at a minimum, I'd need at least 3 cables:

- USB-C to USB-C (iPad) (preferably Thunderbolt)
- USB-A to Lightning (iPhone)
- USB-A to MicroUSB (Battery)

The Razer (and many other) charger(s) offer USB-A/C ports, higher power on the USB-C ones presumably. I've seen various reversible/3-in-1 cables out there (e.g. Anker makes one) but I've read they charge very slowly. I don't care about data transfer, but I do care about fast(er) charging without having to carry a million different cables. What are people using to solve the cables problem?
There are multi-head solutions
out there out there
. But personally I carry the two separate cables myself (I don't carry Apple products with me at the moment). Part of the reason is that you aren't completely screwed if the cable breaks. Also you can charge multiple devices at the same time.

As to why the charging cables charge slowly, it's usually a missing wire in the cable ("charging cables" often don't have all the wires required). It is used by data transfer cables for some reason (I don't remember why) but it also needed to detect if you can fast charge. With USB-C I think it's still there as I have USB-C cables rated for USB 2.0 speeds only (didn't see the spec until after I got it).
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Originally Posted by Polytonic
Picked up the Razer 130W GaN charger, mainly planning on using it to power an iPhone and iPad.

Has anyone given much thought into the cables situation at all?

My portable battery charges over MicroUSB with a regular USB output, iPhone over Lightning, iPad Pro over USB-C/Thunderbolt. So at a minimum, I'd need at least 3 cables:

- USB-C to USB-C (iPad) (preferably Thunderbolt)
- USB-A to Lightning (iPhone)
- USB-A to MicroUSB (Battery)

The Razer (and many other) charger(s) offer USB-A/C ports, higher power on the USB-C ones presumably. I've seen various reversible/3-in-1 cables out there (e.g. Anker makes one) but I've read they charge very slowly. I don't care about data transfer, but I do care about fast(er) charging without having to carry a million different cables. What are people using to solve the cables problem?
As StuckInYYZ mentioned, native USB-C cables have a number of wires within: each USB-C port has 24 pins on it, though the cable may not use all of them - e.g. USB 2.0 + USB-C cables will normally have only ~6 wires inside (the other wires are indeed for USB 3.x+ speeds)

However, older USB ports & cables (USB A, USB micro B, etc) only have 4 wires within them. The additional 2 wires in native USB 2.0+ USB-C cables are used to negotiate the charging voltage. Without negotiation, charging will be stuck at 5V, which is what happens to any cable with an older USB male connector on it plugged into an adapter on either end (e.g an adapter for
USB A -> USB-C USB A -> USB-C
or for
micro -> USB-C micro -> USB-C
). The 3-in-1 cables are just that, older cables with 2 female USB mini to USB-C / Lightning adapters permanently attached so they dont get lost - they can only charge at 5V.

Another reason that charging may be slow is that the cable may not be able to handle 3A charging now the minimum standard for USB-C (but which can go to 5A). If an older USB-C cable, it might only be able to push 1.1A, which means charging is limited to 5.5W (@5V).

Finally, the device itself may not be able to charge faster: older iPhones could only pull 10W, though that is now 18W (9V*3A) for newer phones, same with iPads (and iPad Pros will apparently charge at >30W).

Note, however: as you use a USB-A to Lightning cable, you iPhone is limited to ~12W max charging. A USB-C to lightning cable will move that to 18W max ([EDIT] oops, or 27W for the 13 Pro Max). You can see the practical speed difference in the first image in this article here: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/ipho...eeds-compared/
(To be clear, to preserve battery health, most devices charge at their highest capability when the battery is near empty, but slow as it gets 50%-80% full.)

One other option is to buy a USB-C battery pack. Depending on what youre looking for, there are some out there - I picked up one of NiteCores NB series. You could then drop your USB micro cord. Youre stuck with the Lightning cord for iPhone, however; thank Apple for that.

(And I guess youre planning on using the Razer for laptop charging as well? Else, its massive overkill for your current travel tech: iPad Pros max ~36W + the iPhones ~12W + battery likely similar.

Also, Thunderbolt charging = USB-PD. TB3/TB4 cables are more likely to support 5A charging, though USB-only cables can offer 5A too. In either case, your iPad Pro will max out its charging speed on a 3A cable.)
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I just looked up the Razer 130w referred to above and whilst its twice as powerful as my current 65w GaN 4 port charger its also 4.5x the price . Im not averse to frittering money away on tech, but even I draw the line at $180.
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Y'all here are pretty tech savvy!

Generally, I'm one of those when it comes to tech & cyber security, paranoid by nature always defaulting to the "out of abundance of caution" stance. Is it just an urban myth that charging my devices through public ports with the old USB has a risk, however minor, of having the data unwittingly transferred? And, assuming one day we'll public Thunderbolt ports, will this risk be eliminated?

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Originally Posted by Visconti
Y'all here are pretty tech savvy!

Generally, I'm one of those when it comes to tech & cyber security, paranoid by nature always defaulting to the "out of abundance of caution" stance. Is it just an urban myth that charging my devices through public ports with the old USB has a risk, however minor, of having the data unwittingly transferred? And, assuming one day we'll public Thunderbolt ports, will this risk be eliminated?

Thanks!
Yes, there is a risk, though normally not considered to be significant. (Note: TB doesnt do anything, may actually make it worse.) This article explains it pretty sufficiently, including the end comment:
https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/art...ging-stations/

Essentially, 2 main types I am aware of:
1. USB Killer devices can surge electricity and short your devices USB port, if not damage your device (laptop, phone, etc). Some devices can build in extra protection, such as fuses.
2. A USB micro-computer / device disguised as a simple USB charger/ charging port./ cable. If an unsuspecting party plugs their device in, it tries to access the device using known vulnerabilities. If data access is obtained to your device, then good luck.

Having said that, risk of actually having this happen is minimal, especially as both Apple & Android phones have trust this data connection pop ups now which users have to approve. But then again, computers will just directly access any old USB device when plugged in, no?

Still, its seen as low risk because its not thought to happen too often.

But for peace of mind, I still dont plug into public USB ports, just carry my own AC-USB adapter or battery pack.

(AC plugs could theoretically damage the charger and a connected device with a large enough power surge and insufficient protection but that is more likely to just occur due to the bad power socket / wiring / grid.)
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Originally Posted by Visconti
Generally, I'm one of those when it comes to tech & cyber security, paranoid by nature always defaulting to the "out of abundance of caution" stance. Is it just an urban myth that charging my devices through public ports with the old USB has a risk, however minor, of having the data unwittingly transferred? And, assuming one day we'll public Thunderbolt ports, will this risk be eliminated?
Gotta love "juice jacking". Crackjack has excellently described it and issues. USB killer devices tend to be rare as there is no advantage to burning out most devices in most scenarios. Those would likely be more for intelligence gathering application (eg you've heard stories of the military destroying any information containing devices on a vessel if they're going to lose control of it). Not sure how realistic that is but it's possible.

Now hijacking a device is much more likely. In most cases, saying no to any requests to connect will suffice, but as we've seen with the Pegasus malware, it isn't always the case. As Crackjack has mentioned, best to carry your own AC charger or power bank (or both). If you're going to insist on connecting to unknown connections, use a
data blocker data blocker
(aka USB condom). That said, if you're really paranoid about this, there are always things you can do like shutting off wifi when you leave your home/office or only using your own gear to power up your device.
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Thanks guys! I'm just going to continue my practice of carrying a portable battery/charger. I'm always on the lookout for newer higher voltage ones that are also very thin & light.

Originally Posted by StuckInYYZ
That said, if you're really paranoid about this, there are always things you can do like shutting off wifi when you leave your home/office or only using your own gear to power up your device.
I actually do this, and rely on my cell's LTE/5G whenever possible. Of course, during the times when I must resort to public wifi--hotel or otherwise--I always use a VPN. Since I'm at, another question, if may? With wifi off and using only my cell's LTE/5G, is enabling VPN helpful or redundant?

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Thanks guys! I'm just going to continue my practice of carrying a portable battery/charger. I'm always on the lookout for newer higher voltage ones that are also very thin & light.
Higher voltage as in you mean charge faster or higher capacity? Higher capacity and "thin and light" are *usually* two opposing concepts. That said, higher capacity isn't always better. As I've mentioned before, when I travel, I usually have two ~10k mah power banks rather than one 20k. The reason being, the 20k can take an incredible amount of time to charge (this may have changed in the last few years, but these are the banks I'm currently using). It's easier to have one bank charging and one in use as the charging one has more time to top up. If I were to use a 20k, it would never be full (assuming I drained it enough) for most of the day.

I do have a 20k which I keep at home, mainly for extended power failures and to power "other" devices.

Originally Posted by Visconti
I actually do this, and rely on my cell's LTE/5G whenever possible. Of course, during the times when I must resort to public wifi--hotel or otherwise--I always use a VPN. Since I'm at, another question, if may? With wifi off and using only my cell's LTE/5G, is enabling VPN helpful or redundant?
At home, I leave my phone on wifi while I sleep as some of my apps back themselves up and it lessens the data usage. But when I wake up, I usually go onto LTE to cut power usage. I've heard 5G consumes more power (heard, haven't read studies on this topic yet)... but if 5G is just as hungry as wifi, then I'll likely stay on wifi when at home.

In general, it depends on what you are using your VPN for. It doesn't hurt (although the power hit might not be worth it), but realistically it is just a shift of who knows what about you (and if the VPN really doesn't log your information). Whether it is the VPN or your cell phone provider, someone knows at least something about you. I don't do anything really important on my phone to have it engaged (no banking apps or any sensitive information on my phone in general). About the only reason I would have it on (day to day) would be to prevent IP based tracking apps (as compared to "location-based tracking") from knowing where I am.

Keep in mind, in general, you're also taking a performance hit when on VPN...
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Originally Posted by StuckInYYZ
Higher voltage as in you mean charge faster or higher capacity? Higher capacity and "thin and light" are *usually* two opposing concepts. That said, higher capacity isn't always better. As I've mentioned before, when I travel, I usually have two ~10k mah power banks rather than one 20k. The reason being, the 20k can take an incredible amount of time to charge (this may have changed in the last few years, but these are the banks I'm currently using). It's easier to have one bank charging and one in use as the charging one has more time to top up. If I were to use a 20k, it would never be full (assuming I drained it enough) for most of the day.
Higher voltage, and I think anything in the ballpark of ~10k mah will more than suffice. What I've noticed is that with the new laptops being able to charge via Thunderbolt, I find the concept of ditching spare batteries very appealing; so, mostly looking for a charger that can power up my laptops.

Originally Posted by StuckInYYZ
In general, it depends on what you are using your VPN for. It doesn't hurt (although the power hit might not be worth it), but realistically it is just a shift of who knows what about you (and if the VPN really doesn't log your information). Whether it is the VPN or your cell phone provider, someone knows at least something about you.
Got it. This is very helpful. Sometimes, I have sensitive financial portals, apps and websites that I must access for long periods of time when away from home and office. While I couldn't care less who knew I'm on those sites, my concern is if any of the information or access becomes compromised, I'd have a problem on my hands. Oh, and, many years ago our IT person observed that I seemed to be on espn.com more than any other website, which caused a chuckle with those in the room. So, all things being equal, while I never go anywhere exotic, I'm one of those stubborn Americans who are zealous about his privacy,
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Originally Posted by Visconti
Higher voltage, and I think anything in the ballpark of ~10k mah will more than suffice. What I've noticed is that with the new laptops being able to charge via Thunderbolt, I find the concept of ditching spare batteries very appealing; so, mostly looking for a charger that can power up my laptops.
So then it will depend on your laptop. Not all laptops support it (they need a USB-C connector and likely support Power Delivery (PD) and if you're looking to reduce the weight, then look for the GAN models. Most laptops that support power delivery would be either PD60/65 or PD90/100. Gaming laptops (those that have GTX/RTX/Radeon discrete video cards) will not be supported as they consume a lot more power. But if you're using an M1 MacBook (for example) or a Windows/Linux Ultrabook, you might be in luck.
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For lightweight batteries, look at the NiteCore NB10000 (150g) or NB20000 (325g).
  • The NB10000 is the lightest 10000mAh pack you will likely find (but will not charge those laptop needing 20V USB PD charging).
  • The NB20000 is not the ultimate lightweight battery, but makes up for it with 20V output, which would allow charging all* laptops with USB PD capabilities.

* Note: The updated USB PD 3.1 standard allows for 28V, 36V and 48V charging as well now. Hopefully laptops supporting this new PD revision will continue to accept 20V in addition to one or more of the higher voltages.
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For travel (airplane) chargers for my laptop, I like to get the Apple ones because they have a replaceable 2-prong plug that lets me plug in a longer three-prong cord that sits in the aircraft power outlets a lot better since they're worn (and because most USB-C laptop chargers are heavier than your typical phone brick). The one that my laptop uses is 96W and that trips the breaker every time. I got a 67W charger for about $50, and will use that on aircraft. It will still charge my laptop, just at a slower rate. I can charge my phone off my laptop, or off the charger itself since everything in my bag is USB-C PD capable at this point.
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Originally Posted by diburning;33776723[i
]For travel (airplane) chargers for my laptop, I like to get the Apple ones because they have a replaceable 2-prong plug that lets me plug in a longer three-prong cord that sits in the aircraft power outlets[/i] a lot better since they're worn (and because most USB-C laptop chargers are heavier than your typical phone brick).
Oh?! Had no idea, and I've got to look into this asap.
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For travel (airplane) chargers for my laptop, I like to get the Apple ones because they have a replaceable 2-prong plug that lets me plug in a longer three-prong cord that sits in the aircraft power outlets a lot better since they're worn (and because most USB-C laptop chargers are heavier than your typical phone brick). The one that my laptop uses is 96W and that trips the breaker every time. I got a 67W charger for about $50, and will use that on aircraft. It will still charge my laptop, just at a slower rate. I can charge my phone off my laptop, or off the charger itself since everything in my bag is USB-C PD capable at this point.
Most Apple laptop chargers are heavier than your typical phone brick because they are still using technology that is 10 years old, and charging you more for it.
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Oh?! Had no idea, and I've got to look into this asap.
There's another thread for this issue... Lots of solutions. But basically if you have a UK (or was it european.... the three-prong rectangular plug) it should work.
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