New BA First Class? [8F configured Boeing 772]
Oct 10, 2019 | 5:57 am
#76
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My thinking is that with the downsizing of the F cabin, it will appeal to more F passengers segment who are looking for more privacy than before.
Oct 10, 2019 | 9:01 am
#77
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I travelled on a 777 14F in F a few days ago and then on the A350 CS on the way back. Honestly there is no comparison in terms of personal space and exclusivity of cabin. They are two very different hard products with an even bigger soft product difference. If flying on G-RAES or other refurbed 4-class 777s with CS I would not be wondering if I should downgrade from F!
Oct 10, 2019 | 12:49 pm
#78
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Theyve actually done a very good job with the latest First soft product. They absolutely cannot get complacent and compromise it though as they always seem to do.
To me, CW does not appeal to me. Im fortunate to travel almost exclusively in First on long haul and the biggest issue I have with CW is the sheer amount of seats. It is impossible to get the same experience and attentiveness.
By reducing F to a cabin of 8 seats, it appeals even more to me. It is even more private and exclusive.
To me, CW does not appeal to me. Im fortunate to travel almost exclusively in First on long haul and the biggest issue I have with CW is the sheer amount of seats. It is impossible to get the same experience and attentiveness.
By reducing F to a cabin of 8 seats, it appeals even more to me. It is even more private and exclusive.
Oct 10, 2019 | 1:09 pm
#79
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Oct 10, 2019 | 2:22 pm
#80
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If BA was really after improving the product they would have kept the 2nd toilet.
Oct 10, 2019 | 3:09 pm
#81
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Also, freeloaders, is actually a little harsh. Still got to have the Avios and spend 10K on the Amex card, so not exactly freeloading.
Oct 10, 2019 | 3:24 pm
#82
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there is no rhyme or reason to Avios availability and the size of the cabin probably wont make difference
Oct 10, 2019 | 3:48 pm
#83
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Oct 11, 2019 | 1:28 am
#84
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And BA are much more interested in those who will spend that 10k on a single flight in their now much more exclusive cabin.
Oct 11, 2019 | 1:31 am
#85
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My view is theyre interested in both types of passenger equally. The average frequent flyer who has enough Avios to redeem for First travel will be fairly loyal to BA in any case.
Oct 11, 2019 | 3:02 am
#87
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Oct 11, 2019 | 4:14 am
#88
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Sorry if my freeloading comment offended, but ultimately it is about passengers who pay cash for their tickets, and those who pay significantly less by using avios/vouchers.
BA reducing the cabin size will focus their attention on those who pay cash. The freed up space can then be used to put more Club/WTP/WT seats in. Overall number of seats goes up, hence better bottom line (and “better” Club/WTP/WT redemption availability).
I wouldn’t hold my breath to see any of this additional revenue going towards improvements of the F hard product though. 1 toilet for 8 F seats is a pretty clear indication that BA isn’t going to throw money at F...
BA reducing the cabin size will focus their attention on those who pay cash. The freed up space can then be used to put more Club/WTP/WT seats in. Overall number of seats goes up, hence better bottom line (and “better” Club/WTP/WT redemption availability).
I wouldn’t hold my breath to see any of this additional revenue going towards improvements of the F hard product though. 1 toilet for 8 F seats is a pretty clear indication that BA isn’t going to throw money at F...
Oct 11, 2019 | 4:30 am
#89
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Oct 11, 2019 | 4:39 am
#90
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You would have thought they would have got the new first cabin sorted ready for one refurb in one go?? We now seem to be creating a very fragmented product with new WT and WT+ with old club world at Gatwick, new club suite with old first and new WT and second generation WT+
current furst is not actually that private even though the space is very good
aircraft will have to be taken Out of service again ??
current furst is not actually that private even though the space is very good
aircraft will have to be taken Out of service again ??